British citizen denied entry into the USA

[smilesammich 10,727]

21 minutes ago, Boiler said:

 First name is something else, the usual rags were covering it yesterday but seem to have dropped it, presumably they found out why he was refused and did not meet the agenda.

"It all started when I met the first official. I gave her my passport. My first name is Mohammad."

 

 

[Teddy B 17,251]

3 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Since Lost in Blue left there are almost none of us left in the middle of the road .

This is one of the funniest things I've seen posted here in quite a while.

[smilesammich 10,727]

also, not dropped.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/23/juhel-miah-barred-entry-us-trump-travel-ban

[Boiler 43,692]

2 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

"It all started when I met the first official. I gave her my passport. My first name is Mohammad."

 

 

Lying about your name probably did not help?

[CaliCat 3,957]

8 minutes ago, Teddy B said:

MDL = Muddy Ditch Liberals or Muddy Ditch Left, take your pick.

 

I love it! So we can also use MDR for Muddy Ditch Right or Muddy Ditch wRong!

[bcking 3,157]

7 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Of course you have those dead in the Middle of the road like myself, but we are few and far between  and people like Teddy who usually travel in the wrong lane with the occasional tire in the ditch, but not really always in it. 

 

Since Lost in Blue left there are almost none of us left in the middle of the road .

There are houses that are more in the "middle of the road" than you are buddy. Stop fooling yourself, you don't fool others.

[CaliCat 3,957]

8 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

The MDL refers to the Muddy Ditch Left. MDR refers to the muddy ditch right. I use it as shorthand to identify people or opnions on the far end of political stances. As if to say they are so far from the middle they are in the ditch.

Its kind of my running gag here, meant to be more humorous than anything .

 

Of course you have those dead in the Middle of the road like myself, but we are few and far between  and people like Teddy who usually travel in the wrong lane with the occasional tire in the ditch, but not really always in it. 

 

Since Lost in Blue left there are almost none of us left in the middle of the road .

 

 

I love both, because unless you're really a lunatic, you're never just one or the other all the time. There are instances where we all fall into one category or another. I consider myself MD-ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ!

[Teddy B 17,251]

Just now, CaliCat said:

 

 

I love both, because unless you're really a lunatic, you're never just one or the other all the time. There are instances where we all fall into one category or another. I consider myself MD-ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ!

You should've been here a few years ago, you would have thought you hit the lunatic lottery.

[Ban Hammer 12,876]

12 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Juhel Miah 

 

Close, but no prize.

i'm sure it's pronounced mohammed..........

[CaliCat 3,957]

4 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Lying about your name probably did not help?

 

 

Unlikely. We never hear John being deported for calling himself Jack. Seems like the guy is one of your countrymen. If you ain't from around here it desnt make much sense.

[CaliCat 3,957]

Just now, Teddy B said:

You should've been here a few years ago, you would have thought you hit the lunatic lottery.

 

 

That's half of my family. The other half are just crazy.

[yuna628 9,541]

A few things:

By all accounts the individual's name IS Mohammad, but he is known as Juhel Miah. So before arguing about his name, we don't know what the name on his passport is. A Welshman, and well-respected math teacher at a local school. His visit was a part of a larger school trip to NYC. His family is Bangladesh in origin. See the BBC article regarding his name. Mr Miah, whose first name is Mohammed but is known as Juhel, was in charge of eight pupils at the time and said there were a total of 39 pupils and five members of staff on the trip. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-39037385

Given his age, race, religion, and destination I can imagine exactly what they were looking for. That doesn't make it right.

We know that we'll never know why the CBP/DHS choose to do what they do, and he'll never know why either.

Numerous articles state he had a valid visa. This annoys me to no end. We know the VWP requires no visa at all. So which is it? Did he have a visa or not? He says he had a ''visa valid until 2019'' or when he says that does he really mean an ESTA valid until 2019?

Other questions we don't know: did he answer his ESTA correctly and truthfully?

Had he traveled to any of the 7 nations before? He says he hasn't... BUT...

Had he traveled to any other nation not listed under the ESTA-ban?

Was his name wrongly on a no-fly list? Considering he was denied before the plane even took off, I'm suspicious about that.

Was he banned or barred?

If he had an actual visa was it revoked?

Can he apply for a visa and make it in?

Does he have any known associates, friends, or family in the US?

We know that even a straight up classic English white guy on the VWP always has the chance of getting denied at the border. But I don't think that they are often barred from being on the flight to begin with. Nothing ever 100% grants you the right to enter. The same thing has happened to Americans entering the UK.

Edited February 23, 2017 by yuna628

[Boiler 43,692]

1 minute ago, CaliCat said:

 

 

Unlikely. We never hear John being deported for calling himself Jack. Seems like the guy is one of your countrymen. If you ain't from around here it desnt make much sense.

Guess that make me Native American.

[smilesammich 10,727]

4 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Lying about your name probably did not help?

lying? that hadn't even occured to me. don't you think if they thought he was lying about his identity customs would have said as much? my husband has four names in addition to his last name. he does not go by all four names and all four names are not reflected on his id. (canadian or us) all four names are, however, reflected on his canadian passport. tmk, it's quite normal for muslims to have the first name mohammad but do not go by mohammad as a first name (for obvious reasons)

[bcking 3,157]

3 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

A few things:

 

We know that even a straight up classic English white guy on the VWP always has the chance of getting denied at the border. But I don't think that they are often barred from being on the flight to begin with. Nothing ever 100% grants you the right to enter. The same thing has happened to Americans entering the UK.

That is the weirdest thing to me. Unless you are flying through somewhere like Dublin where you go through immigration before a flight, I feel like there are only a small number of scenarios where you are taken off a flight before it even takes off. If you are denied entry it is typically at immigration, once you have landed.

 

I thought I read that he had an ESTA, and presumably that was valid until 2019. I forget how long ESTA's last.