TEXAS DAD BEATS HIS DAUGHTER’S MOLESTER TO DEATH

[MangoAve 25]

Americans have the worldwide reputation of reducing all issues to DOLLARS

Justice, punishment, the protection of society, executions, should always be considered as a totally separate issue from the cost of keeping people in prison

Otherwise, we end up with the attitude that executing people is justified on the grounds of cost to the taxpayer. I believe that many Americans already see things in those terms

This is in total accord with the nazis who killed or neutered disabled people because of the cost of keeping them or their offspring

Even supposedly left wing Americans will consider the cost of prison when they talk about capital punishment

It seems universal in American society that lynchings and executions and quick justice with or without trials are the quick, simple and cheap way of doing things. That is a position that all civilized societies once had, and where they have all moved on from

The USA trailed the rest of the first world in abolishing slavery, votes for women and civil rights. They trail in regard to vigilante justice and executions still.

They will catch up because they always do

As Winston Churchill used to say "The USA always does the right thing - after it's tried everything else"

Regardless of whether or not it seems like I was only mentioning dollars I was also stating that the molestor would provide nothing to society after going to prison and you cannot guarantee he will not do the same thing again years down the road. You are telling everyone that someone has to be in jail regardless?

[ready4ONE 5,400]

While I sympathetic to this guys alleged reason for killing the alleged molester, it remains to be seen if he will be able to justify his actions in court.

[natty bumppo 289]

While I sympathetic to this guys alleged reason for killing the alleged molester, it remains to be seen if he will be able to justify his actions in court.

a grand jury will decide what if any charges will be filed.

[Captain Oates 910]

Regardless of whether or not it seems like I was only mentioning dollars I was also stating that the molestor would provide nothing to society after going to prison and you cannot guarantee he will not do the same thing again years down the road. You are telling everyone that someone has to be in jail regardless?

My main point is that the cost of executing someone or not executing them, should not be a consideration.

After all, if a child is born disabled, we don't consider their 'use' to society or the cost of keeping them - quite rightly because it would be wrong

We think it is wrong to kill enemy prisoners because they cost us food/clothing/heat/accommodation

So the only other issue is whether vigilante justice is appropriate if someone takes the law into their own hands in circumstances where anyone would be enraged. The rest of the civilized world concluded hundreds of years ago that vigilante justice is always wrong and punishable

However, the defense of 'provocation' is available AT THE TIME

The classic case in English law is where a guy picked up a 'lady' in a bar and walked her home through the park. They laid on the grass and kissed for a while and then he went for it.

He copped for the old meat and two veg and immediately strangled the 'lady'

He was found not guilty through provocation

The main element is that it has to be immediate - no vigilante justice later

[james&olya 1,121]

The classic case in English law is where a guy picked up a 'lady' in a bar and walked her home through the park. They laid on the grass and kissed for a while and then he went for it.

He copped for the old meat and two veg and immediately strangled the 'lady'

He was found not guilty through provocation

The main element is that it has to be immediate - no vigilante justice later

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[aaydrian 479]

Lolita was 12

The specific age doesn't matter. What does is the Prof justified his urges towards young girls because he couldn't at 14 act on his adolescent wants towards his dead like aged crush. Same with the dead guy from the article (or any offender for that matter), a grey area is that the molestation was a result of a traumatic experience or mental handicap so we must understand why the 'victim' did what he did but we must think the father downright beastly for witnessing a heinous act between his child and an adult and not be able to restrain himself...according to Dr Ivy/Dan.

[Captain Oates 910]

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[aaydrian 479]

However, the defense of 'provocation' is available AT THE TIME

The classic case in English law is where a guy picked up a 'lady' in a bar and walked her home through the park. They laid on the grass and kissed for a while and then he went for it.

He copped for the old meat and two veg and immediately strangled the 'lady'

He was found not guilty through provocation

The main element is that it has to be immediate - no vigilante justice later

So you're saying by this stand point the father's walking?

[SMOKE 1,426]

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she asked for it. she let him buy her drinks, kissed him, & didn't give it up. so english law says he was justified in strangling her.

eta: thats how i read it anyway.

Edited June 12, 2012 by SMOKE

[james&olya 1,121]

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"copped for the old meat and two veg"

I understand the rest but this I can't figure out. An English euphemism? It comes at a fairly critical juncture of your story!

[Captain Oates 910]

she asked for it. she let him buy her drinks, kissed him, & didn't give it up. so english law says he was justified in strangling her.

I think you missed the point because I used an English euphemism. "Meat and two veg" is an English colloquialism for male genitalia

- that is what the man found when he pressed his amorous advances.

The 'he' was a 'she'. An Oscar Wilde Edwina

People often forget that provocation is as important a defense as self-defense

Edited June 12, 2012 by Ashud Cocoa

[SMOKE 1,426]

I think you missed the point because I used an English euphemism. "Meat and two veg" is an English

yup, went right over my head. sorry.

[Peter_Pan 661]

I hate people who think victims were "asking for it".

[Captain Oates 910]

yup, went right over my head. sorry.

My wife is from Milwaukee and can't figure 'Half as much again' (it's 150%)

We discover a new one every week - and that's after 7 years !

I have learned 'crying uncle' and 'kitty corner' and a few others but I am far from bi-lingual and use terms like anti-clockwise

I am pleased to see that the US Federal criminal code is virtually identical to the English criminal law which I studied.

State law is trickier - I could have been jailed for marrying a black woman up to recently - so I just hope I am not transgressing when I go out.

[^_^ 5,021]

anti-clockwise isnt used in america?

since when?