THANKSGIVING REMARKS: Obama talks for 3 minutes, never mentions GOD.

[Danno 1,228]

[at long last 58]

It should be politically correct because Thanksgiving in reality had nothing to do with a religious celebration. The prayers and religious beliefs can be celebrated within your home.

[Ban Hammer 13,395]

i thought it was about eating until you almost burst and watch nfl football.

[Leatherneck 693]

And passing out after a 3000 calorie feast.

[Danno 1,228]

It should be politically correct because Thanksgiving in reality had nothing to do with a religious celebration. The prayers and religious beliefs can be celebrated within your home.

If Obama were being Politically correct, he would have mentioned God in his remarks.

Now for a little History lesson for you.

Thanksgiving proclamations in the first thirty years of nationhood

As President, on October 3, 1789, George Washington made the following proclamation and created the first Thanksgiving Day designated by the national government of the United States of America:

Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor, and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me "to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness. Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be. That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks, for his kind care and protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a Nation, for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his providence, which we experienced in the course and conclusion of the late war, for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed, for the peaceable and rational manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted, for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us. And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions, to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually, to render our national government a blessing to all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed, to protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have shown kindness unto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord. To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the encrease of science among them and Us, and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best. Given under my hand at the City of New York the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789.[21]

[TBoneTX 45,469]

Remember: 0bama's the Messiah. The surprise is that he talked for only 3 minutes.

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Big Sister: "Billy, if you eat one more piece of pumpkin pie, you'll burst!"

Billy: "OK, Sis -- pass the pie and get out of the way!"

Edited November 25, 2011 by TBoneTX

[Póg mo 1,749]

Thank you Oh lord for allowing our diseases to wipe out America's native population and thus made it easier for us to occupy this beautiful and bountiful land. Amen!

[웃 910]

You do know there is a huge gulf between agnostics and Atheists .... one says "I just don't know" and the other contends he is "certain".

BUt all that aside, why not post the long list of names of Founders which were Atheists or agnostic.

Letter from Thomas Jefferson to John Adams

Thomas Jefferson: April 11, 1823

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter"

US Treaty with Tripoli (drafted in 1796 under George Washington; signed by John Adams in 1797):

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

James Madison: "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."

Benjamin Franklin : "Lighthouses are more useful than churches"

John Adams:

"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever exist." -Letter to Judge F. A. Van der Kemp, December 27, 1816

Edited November 25, 2011 by Lord Infamous

[mawilson 2,133]

You do know there is a huge gulf between agnostics and Atheists .... one says "I just don't know" and the other contends he is "certain".

There's really not. Both tend to not believe in things that have no basis in reality.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Nathan, are you undergoing a crisis of no faith?

[Dakine10 5,452]

If Obama were being Politically correct, he would have mentioned God in his remarks.

Now for a little History lesson for you.

... humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions ...

indeed

Thank you Oh lord for allowing our diseases to wipe out America's native population and thus made it easier for us to occupy this beautiful and bountiful land. Amen!

No doubt, a truly politically correct speech would have to mention that, and perhaps also the fact that within 20 years of the first thanksgiving, the Wampanoag tribe had been completely massacred.

[tmma 467]

I don't care. He'll be out of office next year.

[Danno 1,228]

Letter from Thomas Jefferson to John Adams

Thomas Jefferson: April 11, 1823

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter"

US Treaty with Tripoli (drafted in 1796 under George Washington; signed by John Adams in 1797):

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

James Madison: "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."

Benjamin Franklin : "Lighthouses are more useful than churches"

John Adams:

"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever exist." -Letter to Judge F. A. Van der Kemp, December 27, 1816

SOmetimes when you take five minutes to check the accuracy of these type quotes you find outright fraud or misrepresentation.....

in this case, your quotes, whether fake or not did not even prove your claim that : Most of the founders were atheists or agnostics.

Antagonizing statement toward one faith, in no way suggests a disbelief in God or supreme creator,..... especially when you combine other statement by these same exact men, some of which have been earlier posted.

So again I ask, where is the proof these men doubted a Creator?

Since you used Thomas Jefferson let me ask, what did Jefferson mean when he wrote "Endowed by our creator"?

[Danno 1,228]

Thank you Oh lord for allowing our diseases to wipe out America's native population and thus made it easier for us to occupy this beautiful and bountiful land. Amen!

IN your hate for America you are getting your history a bit fogged up.

Most of this had gone on hundreds of years before this nations as we know it was founded.

Perhaps in your mind when you look at a Black white, or Red person, their color is enough to know who did what.

[웃 910]

SOmetimes when you take five minutes to check the accuracy of these type quotes you find outright fraud or misrepresentation.....

in this case, your quotes, whether fake or not did not even prove your claim that : Most of the founders were atheists or agnostics.

Antagonizing statement toward one faith, in no way suggests a disbelief in God or supreme creator,..... especially when you combine other statement by these same exact men, some of which have been earlier posted.

So again I ask, where is the proof these men doubted a Creator?

Since you used Thomas Jefferson let me ask, what did Jefferson mean when he wrote "Endowed by our creator"?

Well Jefferson surely did not believe in the Big PUS$Y (Perfect Universal Super Skyward Yeshua)...What you have to understand is pre-Darwin, pre-Big Bang, pre-Periodic Table of Elements, it was very difficult to have a free thinking mind. Jefferson seems to be very close to anti-religion and if he was around today he'd obviously be an atheist.

And he was a young 30 year old chap when he wrote those words....He was much wiser and 30 to 50 years older when he spoke the following:

.. the common law existed while the Anglo-Saxons were yet pagans, at a time when they had never yet heard the name of Christ pronounced or knew that such a character existed.

-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Major John Cartwright, June 5, 1824 (see Positive Atheism's Historical section)

Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law.

-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814, responding to the claim that Chritianity was part of the Common Law of England, as the United States Constitution defaults to the Common Law regarding matters that it does not address. This argument is still used today by "Christian Nation" revisionists who do not admit to having read Thomas Jefferson's thorough research of this matter.

The clergy, by getting themselves established by law and ingrafted into the machine of government, have been a very formidable engine against the civil and religious rights of man.

-- Thomas Jefferson, to Jeremiah Moor, 1800

[When] the [Virginia] bill for establishing religious freedom ... was finally passed, ... a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination.

-- Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, 1821

The natural course of the human mind is certainly from credulity to skepticism.

-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Caspar Wistar (June 21, 1807), quoted from Encarta Book of Quotations (1999)

Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must approve the homage of reason rather than of blind-folded fear. Do not be frightened from this inquiry by any fear of its consequences.... If it end in a belief that there is no god, you will find incitements to virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise and in the love of others it will procure for you.

-- Thomas Jefferson, to Peter Carr, 10 August 1787. (capitalization of the word god is retained per original)

The priests of the different religious sects ... dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight, and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subdivision of the duperies on which they live.

-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Correa de Serra, April 11, 1820, quoted from James A Haught, ed, 2000 Years of Disbelief

Of publishing a book on religion, my dear sir, I never had an idea. I should as soon think of writing for the reformation of Bedlam, as of the world of religious sects. Of these there must be, at least, ten thousand, every individual of every one of which believes all wrong but his own.

-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to the Rev Charles Clay, rector of Jefferson's parish church in Albemarle County, Va., January 29, 1815

To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise ... without plunging into the fathomless abyss of dreams and phantasms. I am satisfied, and sufficiently occupied with the things which are, without tormenting or troubling myself about those which may indeed be, but of which I have no evidence.

-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, August 15, 1820

It is between fifty and sixty years since I read the Apocalypse, and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy, nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams.... what has no meaning admits no explanation.

-- Thomas Jefferson, to Alexander Smyth, January 17, 1825

We find in the writings of his biographers ... a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstitions, fanaticisms and fabrications.

-- Thomas Jefferson, to William Short, August 4, 1822, referring to Jesus's biographers, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

That sect had presented for the object of their worship, a being of terrific character, cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust.

-- Thomas Jefferson, referring to the god of the Jews under Moses, in his letter to William Short (August 4, 1822)

It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticism that three are one and one is three, and yet, that the one is not three, and the three not one.... But this constitutes the craft, the power, and profits of the priests. Sweep away their gossamer fabrics of fictitious religion, and they would catch no more flies.

-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams (August 22, 1813), Works, Vol. IV, p. 205, Randolph's edition

The metaphysical insanities of Athanasius, of Loyola, and of Calvin, are, to my understanding, mere relapses into polytheism, differing from paganism only by being more unintelligible. The religion of Jesus is founded in the Unity of God, and this principle chiefly, gave it triumph over the rabble of heathen gods then acknowledged.

-- Thomas Jefferson, equating the Dogma of the Trinity with polytheism and calling it more unintelligible than paganism, in his letter to Rev Jared Sparks upon receipt of the latters' latest book (November 4, 1820)

The hocus-pocus phantasm of a god like another Cerberus, with one body and three heads, had its birth and growth in the blood of thousands and thousands of martyrs.

-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Smith, December 8, 1822 Jefferson's Works, Vol. IV, 360, Randolph's ed.

In our Richmond there is much fanaticism, but chiefly among the women. They have their night meetings and prayer parties, where, attended by their priests, and sometimes by a hen-pecked husband, they pour forth the effusions of their love to Jesus, in terms as amatory and carnal, as their modesty would permit them to use a mere earthly lover.

-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, November 2, 1822

A professorship of theology should have no place in our institution.

-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Cooper, October 7, 1814, referring to the University of Virginia

My aim in that was, to justify the character of Jesus against the fictions of his pseudo-followers, which have exposed him to the inference of being an impostor. For if we could believe that he really countenanced the follies, the falsehoods and the charlatanisms which his biographers father on him, and admit the misconstructions, interpolations and theorizations of the fathers of the early, and fanatics of the latter ages, the conclusion would be irresistible by every sound mind, that he was an impostor. I give no credit to their falsifications of his actions and doctrines, and to rescue his character, the postulate in my letter asked only what is granted in reading every other historian.... That Jesus did not mean to impose himself on mankind as the son of God, physically speaking, I have been convinced by the writings of men more learned than myself in that lore.

-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, August 4, 1820, explaining his reason for compiling the Syllabus of an Estimate of the Merit of the Doctrines of Jesus and referring to Jesus's biographers, the Gospel writers.