To lie about sordid details?

[New Beginnings 32]

Generally if you say you met online they ask where online. So just be prepared for that. I don't think it's a problem, it isn't illegal here in the US and if it isn't illegal there you should be fine.

[TayRivers 4]

Please keep on topic, accusations of personal attacks are not going to help the OP..

Tay VJ Moderation team

[rebeccajo 14]

Is there anybody here on this thread who can say with 100% accuracy that this "profession" would not be regarded at the Consular level as prostitution?

I can't. And I've been hanging around here for almost five years. It's my opinion this issue is potentially too critical for any of us to simply advise "careful wording" at the interview and when completing documents.

This is probably a subject better studied at the Consular level - meaning the petitioner and beneficiary should be sussing out how this subject is "viewed" by consular officers at their specific consulate.

Edited October 9, 2009 by rebeccajo

[Kittyfang 6]

Is there anybody here on this thread who can say with 100% accuracy that this "profession" would not be regarded at the Consular level as prostitution?

I can't. And I've been hanging around here for almost five years. It's my opinion this issue is potentially too critical for any of us to simply advise "careful wording" at the interview and when completing documents.

This is probably a subject better studied at the Consular level - meaning the petitioner and beneficiary should be sussing out how this subject is "viewed" by consular officers at their specific consulate.

True, I completely agree. But I think it's a nice discussion. Another way to look at it is how she was designated on her contract? I am willing to bet that she will be listed as "entertainer". As for prostitution, I don't even understand why it's a ground for denial. 1. from a moral point of view, it personally doesn't bother me, and 2. really, it's hard to prove it. I'm pretty sure no one files their taxes stating that they are prostitutes.

[rsn 135]

Is there anybody here on this thread who can say with 100% accuracy that this "profession" would not be regarded at the Consular level as prostitution?

I can't. And I've been hanging around here for almost five years. It's my opinion this issue is potentially too critical for any of us to simply advise "careful wording" at the interview and when completing documents.

This is probably a subject better studied at the Consular level - meaning the petitioner and beneficiary should be sussing out how this subject is "viewed" by consular officers at their specific consulate.

Interesting point(s). I've been following this thread and didn't think about how the consulate would view this, but it does seem possible that this could potentially be an issue at the consulate level, doesn't it?

Edited October 9, 2009 by rsn

[Beth/ Paris Heart 2]

Is there anybody here on this thread who can say with 100% accuracy that this "profession" would not be regarded at the Consular level as prostitution?

I can't. And I've been hanging around here for almost five years. It's my opinion this issue is potentially too critical for any of us to simply advise "careful wording" at the interview and when completing documents.

This is probably a subject better studied at the Consular level - meaning the petitioner and beneficiary should be sussing out how this subject is "viewed" by consular officers at their specific consulate.

Interesting point(s). I've been following this thread and didn't think about how the consulate would view this, but it does seem possible that this could potentially be an issue at the consulate level, doesn't it?

They better be able to prove also, its a solid true courtship. If consulate does make a big parade of her "employment"

it could go the wrong way for them. Consulting a immigration attorney would be best. Also be best if she quits her employment if she is still working there.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Is there anybody here on this thread who can say with 100% accuracy that this "profession" would not be regarded at the Consular level as prostitution?

I can't. And I've been hanging around here for almost five years. It's my opinion this issue is potentially too critical for any of us to simply advise "careful wording" at the interview and when completing documents.

This is probably a subject better studied at the Consular level - meaning the petitioner and beneficiary should be sussing out how this subject is "viewed" by consular officers at their specific consulate.

Interesting point(s). I've been following this thread and didn't think about how the consulate would view this, but it does seem possible that this could potentially be an issue at the consulate level, doesn't it?

They better be able to prove also, its a solid true courtship. If consulate does make a big parade of her "employment"

it could go the wrong way for them. Consulting a immigration attorney would be best. Also be best if she quits her employment if she is still working there.

Exactly right. We all know how Consulates see things in a very peculiar way. And, if they can apply this to the OP's case and consider her profession prostitutions or "unlawful comercialized vice" as the law states, the proverbial ####### will hit the fan.

What they will understand of the OP's fiance's profession is not something I would risk a guess. It can go either way; and the advise of a competent immigration attorney is needed. I would hate to see the OP denied. rebeccajo makes an excellent point. Again, it is not about what we think --- it's all up to the CO.

[Beth/ Paris Heart 2]

Is there anybody here on this thread who can say with 100% accuracy that this "profession" would not be regarded at the Consular level as prostitution?

I can't. And I've been hanging around here for almost five years. It's my opinion this issue is potentially too critical for any of us to simply advise "careful wording" at the interview and when completing documents.

This is probably a subject better studied at the Consular level - meaning the petitioner and beneficiary should be sussing out how this subject is "viewed" by consular officers at their specific consulate.

Interesting point(s). I've been following this thread and didn't think about how the consulate would view this, but it does seem possible that this could potentially be an issue at the consulate level, doesn't it?

They better be able to prove also, its a solid true courtship. If consulate does make a big parade of her "employment"

it could go the wrong way for them. Consulting a immigration attorney would be best. Also be best if she quits her employment if she is still working there.

Exactly right. We all know how Consulates see things in a very peculiar way. And, if they can apply this to the OP's case and consider her profession prostitutions or "unlawful comercialized vice" as the law states, the proverbial ####### will hit the fan.

What they will understand of the OP's fiance's profession is not something I would risk a guess. It can go either way; and the advise of a competent immigration attorney is needed. I would hate to see the OP denied. rebeccajo makes an excellent point. Again, it is not about what we think --- it's all up to the CO.

As You said Sister Len, this situation you cant friggin sugarcoat it!!! Best wishes to the OP and his girl!

[bryonm4 0]

The sordid thing is that i met my fiancee on a porn site, Streammate. She used to chat with guys and do private shows. We have decided to marry. We have made up our minds, so i am not asking for advice about that. Question is, should we lie on the K1 application and when she goes to her interview? We could make it vague, but what if they ask detailed questions during the interview? We did not break any laws and it was not a marriage broker site. We have good evidence for the relationship.

Anyone else met this way, pls PM me.

Should I get a lawyer before we file K1?

Thx

If she was trying to get a visa from Ho Chi Minh or some place like that the CO would deny your visa. I would make it clear what she did for a living on the paperwork when you filed the CO cannot deny for anything the USCIS was aware of when they approved your visa. That doesn't mean they can't find a different reason to deny.

[Y's_habibitk 2]

The sordid thing is that i met my fiancee on a porn site, Streammate. She used to chat with guys and do private shows. We have decided to marry. We have made up our minds, so i am not asking for advice about that. Question is, should we lie on the K1 application and when she goes to her interview? We could make it vague, but what if they ask detailed questions during the interview? We did not break any laws and it was not a marriage broker site. We have good evidence for the relationship.

Anyone else met this way, pls PM me.

Should I get a lawyer before we file K1?

Thx

If she was trying to get a visa from Ho Chi Minh or some place like that the CO would deny your visa. I would make it clear what she did for a living on the paperwork when you filed the CO cannot deny for anything the USCIS was aware of when they approved your visa. That doesn't mean they can't find a different reason to deny.

I was trying to remember where the case was that was similar to this one from last year or maybe earlier this year... a guy met his lady in a "exotic" club and the consulate gave them an extremely hard time, I think they were denied ...maybe it was Ho Chi Minh hmmm

[Dakine 26]

The sordid thing is that i met my fiancee on a porn site, Streammate. She used to chat with guys and do private shows. We have decided to marry. We have made up our minds, so i am not asking for advice about that. Question is, should we lie on the K1 application and when she goes to her interview? We could make it vague, but what if they ask detailed questions during the interview? We did not break any laws and it was not a marriage broker site. We have good evidence for the relationship.

Anyone else met this way, pls PM me.

Should I get a lawyer before we file K1?

Thx

I don't know what the embassy requirements are in the Czech Republic for police records for the beneficiary but if there are I'd have her get a police report to make sure she hasn't been arrested for something else.

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

The sordid thing is that i met my fiancee on a porn site, Streammate. She used to chat with guys and do private shows. We have decided to marry. We have made up our minds, so i am not asking for advice about that. Question is, should we lie on the K1 application and when she goes to her interview? We could make it vague, but what if they ask detailed questions during the interview? We did not break any laws and it was not a marriage broker site. We have good evidence for the relationship.

Anyone else met this way, pls PM me.

Should I get a lawyer before we file K1?

Thx

I don't know what the embassy requirements are in the Czech Republic for police records for the beneficiary but if there are I'd have her get a police report to make sure she hasn't been arrested for something else.

Posing hypothetical questions is ridiculous. "Do I know for certain that MOSCOW will not consider this prostitution...?" YES. This is not prostituion under Russian law, in fact Russian law on the matter is very vague and for years they had NO laws regarding prostitution at all. Officially it "did not exist" in Russia and there was no need to outlaw that which didn't exist. No, I am not joking. And I get that information from living in the FSU and not from hanging around VJ posting boards. I cannot imagine any Russian (or Ukrainian for that matter) police officer enforcing any such law if there was one, other than to extract a bribe from the prostitute, so there would be no arrest, no conviction, no record.

This is not HCMC or CasaBlanca or Lagos, it is Moscow. Moscow is not a particularly difficult consulate, it is not a high fraud country, they have no particular artificial morals they apply to people (which no one follows) and FSU men and women have a remarkably refreshing, realistic, view of the world in general and men and women in particular, and accept as "natural and normal" that which other societies gasp (theatrically) at.

I also know for certain he has no choice but to describe the way they met (actually he only needs to describe how they met IN PERSON) Her occupation is (likely) self employed. If not, he only needs to list the name and address of the employer by city and country. My wife's G-325a said "Fgrimini , Kiev Ukraine...Customer Service" Anyone care to tell me what she did? She could be a translator and customer liason (she was) or a prostitute (at least I don't think so) Yeah, right, your guess is as good as theirs and no one ever asked either. Job descriptions are not needed and she has no police record (presumably). She will have to produce a police certificate showing no convictions. If she has criminal convictions that is a another matter, not related to her job when he met her.

All the hand-wringers and worry warts can relax. Unless you are suggesting he LIE then he has no choice but to present the TRUTH in the best way possible and move ahead. The same as all of us. But I guess it is something else for someone to debate and worry about. Next question....

How many ghosts can dance on the head of a pin? The consulate in Moscow will have about as much interest in this.

[Bobby+Umit 161]

The sordid thing is that i met my fiancee on a porn site, Streammate. She used to chat with guys and do private shows. We have decided to marry. We have made up our minds, so i am not asking for advice about that. Question is, should we lie on the K1 application and when she goes to her interview? We could make it vague, but what if they ask detailed questions during the interview? We did not break any laws and it was not a marriage broker site. We have good evidence for the relationship.

Anyone else met this way, pls PM me.

Should I get a lawyer before we file K1?

Thx

Ummm. Before I can give an educated opinion, you'll need to send me copies of your pre-engagement chat logs. All of 'em. Don't forget to include the screen caps, as well.

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

The sordid thing is that i met my fiancee on a porn site, Streammate. She used to chat with guys and do private shows. We have decided to marry. We have made up our minds, so i am not asking for advice about that. Question is, should we lie on the K1 application and when she goes to her interview? We could make it vague, but what if they ask detailed questions during the interview? We did not break any laws and it was not a marriage broker site. We have good evidence for the relationship.

Anyone else met this way, pls PM me.

Should I get a lawyer before we file K1?

Thx

Ummm. Before I can give an educated opinion, you'll need to send me copies of your pre-engagement chat logs. All of 'em. Don't forget to include the screen caps, as well.

BOBBY...where have you been???????????? Did you bring your lovely bride back with you?

[baron555 934]

The sordid thing is that i met my fiancee on a porn site, Streammate. She used to chat with guys and do private shows. We have decided to marry. We have made up our minds, so i am not asking for advice about that. Question is, should we lie on the K1 application and when she goes to her interview? We could make it vague, but what if they ask detailed questions during the interview? We did not break any laws and it was not a marriage broker site. We have good evidence for the relationship.

Anyone else met this way, pls PM me.

Should I get a lawyer before we file K1?

Thx

Ummm. Before I can give an educated opinion, you'll need to send me copies of your pre-engagement chat logs. All of 'em. Don't forget to include the screen caps, as well.

BOBBY...where have you been???????????? Did you bring your lovely bride back with you?

You know that she is still locked in the basement.