To lie about sordid details?

[Kathryn41 3,207]

additional edited comments returned to the thread:

Rebeccajo:

The title of the thread is "to lie about sordid details". The thread progressed to several posters being outraged about lying; several people defending how to carefully "lie"; and several people contending that this isn't prostitution at all. We got into the discussion about prostitution because Len brought up the questions on USCIS forms about "the profession". The thread progressed from there to parties wondering if the fiancee might have a criminal record. A smart question given the fact (should we choose to be students of the human condition) we all know certain "behaviors" sometime lead to other "behaviors". We then got into a question as to whether or not on-line sex shows for hire could be considered prostitution in the home country.

Quite a lot of discussion.

My posts to this thread have less to do with the specific minutia of the case and more to perceptions of the Service - perceptions I have become aware through several years of study. Now - you don't have to hang around immigration forums very long to learn that consular officers are always on the look-out for aliens who are "using" US citizens for the purpose of coming to the US. Study that a little further and you learn the Service is also aware of the practice of USC's happily aiding and abetting aliens (through fraudulent marriages) in a path to the US. I'm sure everyone in this thread is aware the Service might question the relationship of the concerned parties as it relates to the first point. They may or may not have thought about the second. At any rate, the OP has been given 'advice' about how he and his fiancee should answer questions about her profession. My only opinion on that advice as far as 'lying' goes is this - I can state with certainty that the Consular Officer WILL ask the name of the website whereon the parties met. After IMBRA went into affect, CO's were instructed by interoffice memo to make this inquiry. I will idly note that my husband was aksed this question at his interview (I was standing there at the window so I heard it with my own ears) and that was prior to IMBRA.

To go on further - USCIS and DOS specifically have become concerned over the years with trafficking of persons via immigration into the US for purposes of prostitution. Whether or not a truthful disclosure of the meeting place of these two persons would lead a Consular Officer's rader to pick up regarding this issue, I cannot say with certainty. I can surmise that it should.

And thus we fall into 'totality of circumstance' - a perfectly acceptable category of denial a Consular Officer may use to deny a petition.

Do I know if the OP and his fiancee will be denied? With certainty? No, I do not. Do you know they will file successfully? No - you cannot.

Edited October 12, 2009 by Kathryn41

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Trust me, the US Embassy's and US Consulate’s that are spread out in the world have neither have the resources or time to drain the petitions, Visa apps et al and chase down every item listed on them much less conduct a full scope background check beyond what's available to them locally (a cursory police check within that country) and what available to them from within the US.

On what authority do you state this, please?

The US folks that staff these Embassies and Consulates are pretty first rate, doesn’t mean that their aren’t exceptions but for the most part-first rate. Same for the local staffers, for the most part. In any case, they don’t have the time and resources to chase down all the minutia about your fiancée.

On what authority do you state this, please?

So, no worries.

On what authority do you state THIS, please?

I cannot believe how many perhaps-otherwise-sensible people on VisaJourney can dismiss or disregard the investigative capabilities of the embassies and consulates -- which can be exercised at ANY time on the basis of ANY motive per ANY consular officer's whim, or in accordance with the policy of ANY Immigrant Unit Section Chief.

TBone: Take a deep cleansing breath then read my post more carefully please, I said to "drain the peitions, Visa Apps et al and chase down every item listed on this ...etc etc bla bla." Read it closely becuase I never dismissed it or disregarded it. I know better. They do have the ability to do a lot of things but do they have the time, resources and inclination to do it on everyone? No.

Re: Authority: I'm probably one of the few people on this forum that have actually worked inside an American Embassy (no I was not in the Consular section).

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They do have the ability to do a lot of things but do they have the time, resources and inclination to do it on everyone? No.

On everyone? Almost certainly not. On red-flag cases, or on items that raise their radar? Perhaps quite a different story.

I'm probably one of the few people on this forum that have actually worked inside an American Embassy (no I was not in the Consular section).

Well, unless someone has worked in all of the embassies, sweeping claims (or the implication thereof) remain dangerous to make, because people may relax when they should be at full alert to anticipate and protect themselves against the "worst" that might happen. It's almost certain that the consular section in the embassy where you worked is better than where some people have interviewed.

With the above said, and the "argument" hopefully over, what is the origin of the term "drain the petition"? Inquiring minds want to know, si man.

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This is not connected to the posts leading up to this point but I think it has a valid place on this thread,

regarding how couples meet online and what should we say about that in the interview.

I posted previously that we had met on an MSN interest group and couldn't find it today no matter

how hard I tried. We both left that group shortly after meeting.

I did a little more research and found the following in Wikipedia:

“MSN Groups was a website part of the MSN network which hosts online communities, which can contain pages, host images, and contain a message board. MSN Groups was shut down on February 21, 2009 as part of a migration of online applications and services to the Windows Live brand, but Windows Live Groups is not a de facto replacement for MSN Groups due to a different feature set.”

It wasn't just that group that was discontinued, it was the whole universe of MSN groups.

I went over to the Windows Live group search area and plugged in what I thought

was the group name and one more time, it came up empty.

For those of you that may have met on MSN groups, you don't really have anything

to prove except to state the truth, i.e. that you met online.

Keep it simple.