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I realize this thread is a few weeks old but I'll throw this out there...

My son has a US and a Chinese passport.  We've run into the same issue several times and it can be especially difficult if the names in each passport is different.  We applied for and got him a Travel Document from the Chinese embassy in DC.  It's issued under his Chinese name but also lists his English name as written in his US passport  This allows him to enter and exit China on his US passport without a Chinese visa, they stamp his travel document and his US passport with entry and exit stamps.  It looks physically like a passport.

Hope this is helpful.

On 5/12/2024 at 10:58 PM, appleblossom said:

I understand that, but what I’m not getting is why the children don’t leave just China on their Chinese passports, and then enter the US on their German ones (with ESTA).
 

In order leave the country you have to prove that you are able to enter the country you are traveling to.  With no visa in their Chinese passport they can't do that.

6 hours ago, MarJhi said:

BTW, the "the google machine" reference is a bit dated don't you think?

I'm old

2 minutes ago, MarJhi said:

In terms of marketability, but I suspect you already knew what I was saying, you just want to do the faux outrage thing again. Try to keep up, dont be so hateful and xenophobic.😄

 

Are you always so angry? 

 

Go outside, it's a beautiful day. 

I am always this angry it keeps me thin.  It is beautiful out and I'm sitting outside by the pool enjoying my coffee as I troll the internet. (I wonder what the poor people are doing?)

But if I can ask you to explain your position (I'm really not that bright).  You think she deserves the criticism she is receiving because she is marketable?  Or do you think it's unfair?  Or, some other option?

1 minute ago, MarJhi said:

Again I think it has more to do with her profile compared to the others. Think of her as the Tom Brady and the other athletes as the back up offensive linemen.

Name one other female freestyle skier without using the google machine.

You actually just compared her to Tom Brady, that is hilarious.

Today I have some free time so I'll be identifying as a Faux Intellectual Lib.

And some women do have penises, Marjorie three names comes to mind.

4 hours ago, MarJhi said:

Haha, so you think only capitalists seek money? Delusional much? I must have missed the memo where communist and socialist leaders take a vow of poverty.

Last I checked she's an 18 year old athlete not a communist party leader but hey, make your narrative work for you. 

2 hours ago, Dashinka said:

I tend to agree with you as if you look at the roster for the mens and women Chinese ice hockey teams you will find a great many born in Canada, the US and even Russia.  For some reason they do not receive the same scrutiny as Ms.Gu.

 

Even the US sports media has become a pack of political activists.

 

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Exactly, nobody has said [removed] about Ethan Werek or the other American, Canadian and Russian hockey players competing for China.

The face of the republican party has changed.

34 minutes ago, MarJhi said:

haha,😄

 

I wasn't referencing the skier when I mentioned the oath of naturalization, but I do hope she takes a similar oath to China and stays in that paradise. She wouldn't be the first American to choose "greener pastures" in a communist paradise and she won't be the last.

 

Something tells me she won't be residing there long. Eileen Gu's VPN comment reportedly censored on Chinese social media (msn.com)

Please try to get the purpose of my post.  She holds (or held) two passports so no oath necessary for either country.  She is both American and Chinese.  Becoming a naturalized Chinese citizen is one step easier than becoming a unicorn.

Typically by the time a mixed race kid becomes 18 they are forced to choose one or the other by China.  My guess is that since her American father isn't in the picture she chose the one country that connected her to the family that raised her.

What I don't understand is why she's being raked over the coals for it.  It's a problem with the system not the individual.  The media is making a big deal out of her situation for their own purpose.

I lived in China and to be honest some of the pastures are greener, but when an 18 year old kid is forced to choose I think the choice is made based on her own personal feelings and not misdeeds of the ruling party.

And if we don't think our government is watching our every move...or we aren't censored on social media????

8 minutes ago, millefleur said:

It seems dual citizenship in Asia is in general not common. I know Japan also does not allow dual nor does South Korea. It seems a bit outdated to me, never really understand why for ordinary people (especially if they have parents of different nationalities) allowing dual citizenship is barred. If you're some high up diplomat or work for the government or military, sure, makes sense. Other than that, I've never understood the reason for banning it.

I prefer how the US handles it.

25 minutes ago, MarJhi said:

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.

Maybe this thread is difficult for you to follow.  She was born in the US and therefor was not required to take the oath of Naturalization.

1 minute ago, yuna628 said:

I just assumed that her decision had something to do with feeling more a part of her Chinese heritage and family, which is her right to do so. Many of us, if put in the same position would choose to feel differently, but some may not. That's fine too. I hope that her doing so was her choice, and not out of any pressure or obligation though.

She has said she feels just as much American as she does Chinese.  My point of the post is that the press (and others) condemn athletes for speaking out and then again if they don't.

My hope is that her actions would create some movement on the part of the Chinese government to allow dual citizenship.  My son currently has two passports but once he reaches 18 he'll have to chose.  I'm guessing she was put in that position as well and made the decision that was best for her.

Others want to make more of it than there should be.  

1 hour ago, MarJhi said:

She went for the money, pure and simple. An Olympic gold medalist in skiing for the US will be forgotten in 5 minutes once the games are over, but in China an Olympic gold medalist who dumps on the US has a chance to be a superstar for propaganda purposes and she knows this. She sold her soul for money and she will ignore all of the human rights abuses you alluded to earlier because she doesn't want to think about that while she counts her cash. 

 

And by the way, it's not just her, so don't get the illusion that she is being picked on. Most of the biggest voices in US sports, business, politics and Hollywood are doing the same thing. There is a lot of money to be made if you play nice with China. Lebron James fancies himself a social justice leader, but he makes a fortune off of China so anything goes. He is very vocal when it comes to criticizing the US, but he will never utter a negative word about China even though he knows the situation over there.

3 minutes ago, MarJhi said:

Who said anything about capitalism? I was talking about having principles, or people pretending to have principles. Name the political ideology and you will find plenty of people who PRETEND to have principles but go on to violate them. But nice to see you were paying attention😉

😉

3 minutes ago, B_J said:

I don't vilify her for what the CCP does.  But I do judge her by who she chooses to align herself with.  And we are not talking about what happened in this country in the past, we are talking about what is happening right now in China.  What is happening is truly evil and we should not look the other way and we certainly shouldn't choose to align ourselves with it.  That is what she has done.

Seems to me like she aligned with the Chinese mother and grandmother who raised and not the American father who chose not to.

Do you mean to tell me that the US has it's citizens under surveillance?  That seems like an abuse of my human rights.

1 hour ago, MarJhi said:

She went for the money, pure and simple. An Olympic gold medalist in skiing for the US will be forgotten in 5 minutes once the games are over, but in China an Olympic gold medalist who dumps on the US has a chance to be a superstar for propaganda purposes and she knows this. She sold her soul for money and she will ignore all of the human rights abuses you alluded to earlier because she doesn't want to think about that while she counts her cash. 

 

And by the way, it's not just her, so don't get the illusion that she is being picked on. Most of the biggest voices in US sports, business, politics and Hollywood are doing the same thing. There is a lot of money to be made if you play nice with China. Lebron James fancies himself a social justice leader, but he makes a fortune off of China so anything goes. He is very vocal when it comes to criticizing the US, but he will never utter a negative word about China even though he knows the situation over there.

Man, damn that capitalism.  Something really ought to be done about that.

2 hours ago, B_J said:

I couldn't care less if she speaks out or not. For me, it has nothing to do with speaking out.

 

She had a choice to represent one of two countries.  She chose the country where there are legitimate human rights abuses including genocide, forced abortions, forced sterilizations, reeducation vocational training camps, religious restrictions, constant surveillance, and torture.  But hey, it's where her mom's from and she's getting rich.  She doesn't need to speak, her choice has said enough.

So by all means let's vilify an 18 year old for the actions of the CCP.  And it's not like forced abortions or forced sterilizations have ever happened in this country.  I guess we all have our boogey man.

22 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

It didn't end very well for Kapernick and Rapinoe.  Let's see how this plays out.

Kapernick and Rapinoe competed in the Olympics for China?  Or, are you implying that Gu took a dump on the US?  Not sure I understand your comparison.

When athletes talk politics some say "stick to sports".  When athletes avoid political topics we call them out for it????

Let's unpack one of my new favorites, Eileen Gu.  If you don't know about her you should look her up.  Born and raised in the US and just won Olympic gold skiing for China.  The press keeps hounding her about what passport(s) she holds and people wonder why she isn't speaking out about human rights abuse.  If my respect for the press wasn't at an all time low it is now.

Sure China doesn't allow dual citizenship, but they typically give mixed race kids some slack until they reach 18.  Why are people so concerned?  Do they feel like she turned her back on her country? 

My opinion is "GET OFF HER BACK".  Maybe this is the type of thing that will begin the process that would eventually allow kids like my son to keep both passports.

I enjoy the fact that I can not come around for a year, peak my head in and realize, immigration hasn't gotten any easier.

12 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Welcome back, dude!

This place hasn't changed much...no man.

She is her own worst enemy. Blah-blah-blah 

It's really about the story and not so much about the details...isn't it?

8 minutes ago, GreatDane said:

That's USCIS for you.  If you can wait, I would. Alternatively, you could consult an immigration attorney. I know they do free consults for free and it's really only one question. But you know how that can go, too.

The only reason she is considering getting a blue passport is because she lost her PRC passport in a fire (with a B1 visa in it) back in 2009 and was issued a replacement.  This information is in the CBP database and every time we come into the US she gets jammed into secondary to be asked "did you lose a passport in 2009?"

She'd rather hassle with secondary than to pay a lawyer I'm sure.