Ex Committed Citizenship Fraud

[Mounat02 63]

5 minutes ago, moneythat said:

I didn't say USCIS approved her green card after I withdrew.  She may have gotten a green card through other means.

Ok, wrong question I asked.  They may not expect to be arrested, but they deserve to be arrested.

Gotcha. So the story is more detailed and complicated than you first indicated. Still, your only option is to submit what you have and be done with it.

 

Also, on deserving arrest. Your ex may deserve it but your wishes won't make it happen. Ergo, the advice for you to move on.

[Villanelle 4,121]

Honestly I dont think you have any 'hard proof'. You seem to have a lot of 'circumstantial evidence'. 

Im going to break down some of what you posted:

1. Welfare benefits (snap, medicaid, housing etc) - Unless you were with her when she applied (which seems unlikely) you do not know exactly what benefits she applied for and how she qualified for them. Generally speaking yes, benefits are suppose to consider everyone in the household, but thats 'generally speaking' and not always the case. Social service programs are complicated. There are various exceptions that can apply. I recall one user posting about how their parents qualified for snap and instinctively I shouted you cant do that- and then later dug into it and found the parents did qualify because of various loopholes. Living in the same house does not automatically make someone a household member and I am going to assume if she got benefits for herself and then later a child or while she was pregnant (which is its own program with its own different requirements) then the Social Service office knows who the father is/their living situation- and has checked off all the boxes as required. If you still suspect fraud was involved in receiving welfare benefits you can report your concerns to the local Social Services office. 

 

2. Massage parlor/prostitution:  Im going to word this very carefully- you do not have any proof that a crime was committed. You have circumstantial evidence that a crime may have been committed. Theres a huge difference. USCIS is NOT going to investigate to expose a crime, they will respond/react only if a crime has been exposed/investigated/and further more resolved by a court with a conviction. In the US people are considered innocent until proven guilty. This means until there is a court ruling that says you are guilty you are not guilty. USCIS is not going to impose any penalties on someone while they are in the criminal court system- they will only do such when the criminal court rules guilt. 

Yes I understand there is a question on the forms about have you ever committed a crime etc etc. So you understand you are only raising an issue with that question and response (different from reporting she was found guilty of a crime). For that Q&A USCIS would look at evidence that supports a crime was committed but not charged or prosecuted, however they would also consider the fact that the applicant denied the crime and the police/DA did not pursue it. I mean if the DA did not think there was enough to establish a crime and file charges then its unlikely USCIS will view it as a crime as well if that makes sense. 

I would think if you had proof of this crime and the DA/police did nothing (due to budget concerns) the next step would be to draw attention to it in the local community. If I knew there was an active prostitution massage parlor or place selling illegal drugs in my neighborhood and the cops shrugged it off due to budget concerns I would raise hell demanding they take action. But was it really about budget concerns or was it they felt your 'evidence' was nothing more then an attempt by a bitter ex spouse to cause issues for the other?

 

 

Im also getting the feeling here that your ex filed for VAWA claiming you abused her and thats how she got her GC. Your insistent pursuit to 'punish' her and still be tracking her all these years later doesnt help anything, in fact it makes it seems more likely you were abusive to her. Its probably time for you to let this go. You reported what you could. Theres nothing more you can do. You are not a one man vigilante responsible for stopping crime. I understand the mentality that we should all do our part to stop crime and punish those who commit them but you have to admit your pursuit of this is not because you are so passionate about doing the right thing- this is clearly about her. 

 

You can use the contact info provided earlier in this thread if you are so inclined but I can pretty much guarantee nothing is going to happen. If you think you are going to somehow be connected to a person in USCIS who shares your passion for exposing her- its never going to happen. 

[portorusa 431]

52 minutes ago, Villanelle said:

your pursuit of this is not because you are so passionate about doing the right thing- this is clearly about her. 

 

👍Moreover, it’s seems more than passion...rather obsession. After so many years still brooding, gosh.

OP, don’t you have your own life to live and worry about? Move on, buddy, time to forget and forgive!

[moneythat 0]

11 minutes ago, portorusa said:

👍Moreover, it’s seems more than passion...rather obsession. After so many years still brooding, gosh.

OP, don’t you have your own life to live and worry about? Move on, buddy, time to forget and forgive!

The right thing would be to revoke her citizenship.  Even after she was a prostitute, she wanted to come back to me thinking I didn't know she worked as a prostitute.  If she went the VAWA route and then wanted to come back to me, what does that say about her VAWA petition?  Why does she want to come back to her "abuser"?  Or did she abuse the VAWA route to gain immigration benefits?

[geowrian 22,336]

23 minutes ago, moneythat said:

Why does she want to come back to her "abuser"?

Happens all the time. If anybody could resolve that, we'd have a lot fewer DV cases.

[Athens 101]

36 minutes ago, moneythat said:

The right thing would be to revoke her citizenship.  Even after she was a prostitute, she wanted to come back to me thinking I didn't know she worked as a prostitute.  If she went the VAWA route and then wanted to come back to me, what does that say about her VAWA petition?  Why does she want to come back to her "abuser"?  Or did she abuse the VAWA route to gain immigration benefits?

You withdrew and divorced her many years ago yet she got her green card and now a US citizen. Why wait so long even after wasting your money hiring private investigator and couldn’t still archive your aim. I doubt this lady ever went back to you after many years of leaving you. Nevertheless, you have to help yourself and careless about how she obtained  her documents and got to the point she is today, move on with your life. You personally do not have the right to revoke her citizenship. It doesn’t work like that. You are more interested in seeing her suffer thereby seeking vengeance and not justice like mounat02 said. Report her or move on as you’ve been advised on here or keep having sleepless night over a lady who is happily living with her boyfriend and little child. Don’t you have a conscience? For how many more years do you intend to pursue this lady around? Are you not a human being? How I wish you don’t get more response from any one else here because it  now seem like a child’s play. Report her with resources provided and move on with your dear life. If she decides to go after you, I am very sure you will not like it. Listen to advise from everyone here and move on. 

Edited June 29, 2020 by Athens

[Boiler 43,685]

So you want her to lose her Citizenship, go back to being a LPR so you will be responsible for her under the terms of the I 864 you signed.

 

That strikes me as being particularly odd.

[moneythat 0]

Just now, Boiler said:

So you want her to lose her Citizenship, go back to being a LPR so you will be responsible for her under the terms of the I 864 you signed.

 

That strikes me as being particularly odd.

I'm not responsible since I withdrew my affidavit of support before she obtained her green card.  I had written this earlier in my earlier comments.

 

There's been comments from those who don't have their facts correct about my situation.  And some posters just repeat what others have said, just duplicate information.

[Boiler 43,685]

So how did she get her GC, VAWA? How long since she got her GC did she apply for US Citizenship?

[moneythat 0]

48 minutes ago, Boiler said:

So how did she get her GC, VAWA? How long since she got her GC did she apply for US Citizenship?

I learned she got her GC a few years ago.  Then learned last year she got her US Citizenship.  I can only assume she got it thru VAWA since I'm not able to defend myself if she went that route.

 

Why do you ask?

[Canerican 242]

3 hours ago, moneythat said:

The right thing would be to revoke her citizenship.  Even after she was a prostitute, she wanted to come back to me thinking I didn't know she worked as a prostitute.  If she went the VAWA route and then wanted to come back to me, what does that say about her VAWA petition?  Why does she want to come back to her "abuser"?  Or did she abuse the VAWA route to gain immigration benefits?

@moneythat,

 

Dude, give it up. Revocation of Citizenship is not in your control, you are not USCIS. As I said earlier, provide evidence you have to USCIS and let them investigate. Also, whether or not they investigate is not in your control either. In all the time you have been posting here, you could have sent or met with USCIS to give them the evidence. 

 

Do you really want to go through all of this stress and anxiety to not know what happens? They may not even let you know the results of the investigation. Again I ask, why stress what you cannot control?

 

Here is what you can control:

 

1. Turn in your evidence to USCIS

 

You cannot control:

 

1. Whether or not USCIS investigates

2. Outcome, if investigation happens

3. Whether or not your past spouse gets denaturalized

 

I rest my case. 

[moneythat 0]

18 minutes ago, CDN(ON)-USA(VT) said:

@moneythat,

 

Dude, give it up. Revocation of Citizenship is not in your control, you are not USCIS. As I said earlier, provide evidence you have to USCIS and let them investigate. Also, whether or not they investigate is not in your control either. In all the time you have been posting here, you could have sent or met with USCIS to give them the evidence. 

 

Do you really want to go through all of this stress and anxiety to not know what happens? They may not even let you know the results of the investigation. Again I ask, why stress what you cannot control?

 

Here is what you can control:

 

1. Turn in your evidence to USCIS

 

You cannot control:

 

1. Whether or not USCIS investigates

2. Outcome, if investigation happens

3. Whether or not your past spouse gets denaturalized

 

I rest my case. 

Yes I didn't say it's my power/control to revoke her citizenship.  It's in USCIS's control and I pass on the information.  The purpose of my post is to ask how to go about that. then people start making personal attacks.  I'm just asking for infromation.

[moneythat 0]

Unless someone has more/new information on how to report immigration, please refrain from personal attacks.

[Villanelle 4,121]

You were given the contact information. Thread should be closed.

[moneythat 0]

Just now, Villanelle said:

You were given the contact information. Thread should be closed.

I replied to those who made personal attacks and false accusations.  Some others added more information.