A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data

[90DayFinancier 910]

1 hour ago, Voice of Reason said:

It may indeed become that bad, one day soon.  For now?  Not so much.  You might want to go back to the top and read the article in the OP.

 

Nearly 13,000 dead from covid.  What's the flu up to this season?

Dude, past time to wake up.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

27 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

Dude, past time to wake up.

Dude, I was awake when this started.  Let's hope we're both around in a month to see who was right, eh?  Feel free to make fun of me if it turns out I was wrong.

 

Most people with the flu don't go to hospitals and overwhelm the healthcare system, because they know they have the flu, and will stay home and take care of themselves.  Due to the uncertainty, and the panic created in the news that so many watch today, people ARE heading into the hospitals in droves, and overwhelming the systems.  If I had a cough and a fever, I might too.  But in the past 30 years, I have never been to a doctor because of the flu.  I stayed my ### home and got better.

Edited March 22, 2020 by Voice of Reason

[Steeleballz 7,550]

35 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Dude, I was awake when this started.  Let's hope we're both around in a month to see who was right, eh?  Feel free to make fun of me if it turns out I was wrong.

 

Most people with the flu don't go to hospitals and overwhelm the healthcare system, because they know they have the flu, and will stay home and take care of themselves.  Due to the uncertainty, and the panic created in the news that so many watch today, people ARE heading into the hospitals in droves, and overwhelming the systems.  If I had a cough and a fever, I might too.  But in the past 30 years, I have never been to a doctor because of the flu.  I stayed my ### home and got better.

 

     People with mild symptoms aren't overwhelming hospitals. They are assessed in ER then sent home to be quarantined. There was actually more of that early on IMO, before much information was available. Most of the people in hospital now are in bad shape. They need to be there. 

 

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

In any ER's that allow people deciding on their own to go to ER's, they're going to be flooded with people worried about this, and naturally, sent home, in any system where people are actively seek care (it's a novelty to many Americans because preventative healthcare isn't as common as it should be). This is where controlling the flow of people toward an ER has been essential, but rarely done.

 

Why I know its not inherently indicative of many people being in bad shape is, it happens every flu season in Canada, which is why smart people don't go to ER's unless they're having an actual emergency to get prioritized by triage. Thus why specific clinics assessing the virus were made here, along with changing the way nurses on 811 handle complaints. Otherwise people unnecessarily flood the ER's. ER waiting rooms are already a petri dish of pathogens, and the huge influx of patients makes waiting times spike by those thinking they're having an emergency when in fact they're not.

Edited March 22, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Steeleballz 7,550]

6 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

In any ER's that allow people deciding on their own to go to ER's, they're going to be flooded with people worried about this, and naturally, sent home, in any system where people are actively seek care (it's a novelty to many Americans because preventative healthcare isn't as common as it should be). This is where controlling the flow of people toward an ER has been essential, but rarely done.

 

It happens every flu season in Canada, which is why smart people don't go to ER's unless they're having an actual emergency to get prioritized. Thus why specific clinics assessing the virus were made here, along with changing the way nurses on 811 handle complaints. ER waiting rooms are already a petri dish of pathogens, and the huge influx of patients makes waiting times spike.

 

   They are doing fairly well now at stopping people, taking temperatures and monitoring symptoms before people even get in the building. People with fevers or respiratory symptoms are taken immediately to an isolated area. Probably took a little too long to get that set up though. 

 

   You're right though about ER's being petri dishes. If you're not actually sick when you get there, you probably will be by the time you leave.

[TBoneTX 47,533]

5 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

If you're not actually sick when you get there, you probably will be by the time you leave.

I knew someone who claimed to have contracted the clap, the syph, pulmonary artery hypertension, cor triatriatum dexter, pheochromocytoma, methemoglobinemia, dental caries, and Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome all during a single ER visit.  However, I suspect that he was exaggerating slightly and really got only 2 or 3 -- or, at most, 4 -- of those.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,425]

14 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

I knew someone who claimed to have contracted the clap, the syph, pulmonary artery hypertension, cor triatriatum dexter, pheochromocytoma, methemoglobinemia, dental caries, and Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome all during a single ER visit.  However, I suspect that he was exaggerating slightly and really got only 2 or 3 -- or, at most, 4 -- of those.

If he got the clap on an ER visit, it may have been well worth the trip

[Merle 458]

On 3/20/2020 at 4:45 PM, 90DayFinancier said:

Just like the flu

Weren't you praising the Chinese response to the outbreak in another thread? 

[90DayFinancier 910]

1 hour ago, Merle said:

Weren't you praising the Chinese response to the outbreak in another thread? 

Praising? They hid the outbreak and were slow to respond. They lied and are still using propaganda to blame the US. I am not even sure their draconian measures would succeed in a western Democracy. Even now I don't believe that they have had no new cases in over a week.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

31 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

Praising? They hid the outbreak and were slow to respond. They lied and are still using propaganda to blame the US. I am not even sure their draconian measures would succeed in a western Democracy. Even now I don't believe that they have had no new cases in over a week.

Well good, because they reported 46 new cases just today, 41 yesterday, 39 the day before, and 34 prior to that.

[90DayFinancier 910]

6 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Well good, because they reported 46 new cases just today, 41 yesterday, 39 the day before, and 34 prior to that.

They have no new cases reported from china, all the cases were from travellers to China as of Thursday.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/isabeltogoh/2020/03/19/china-where-covid-19-was-first-detected-reports-no-new-local-cases-of-coronavirus/#58274a1c556f

Edited March 23, 2020 by 90DayFinancier

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Just now, 90DayFinancier said:

They have no new cases reported from china, all the cases were from travellers to China as of Thursday.

 

My sources say otherwise.  But I'm not tryna convince you.  Just posting the numbers that are out there for others who may wish to know.

[90DayFinancier 910]

Just now, Voice of Reason said:

My sources say otherwise.  But I'm not tryna convince you.  Just posting the numbers that are out there for others who may wish to know.

Do yours have a source?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, 90DayFinancier said:

Do yours have a source?

 

3 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

My sources say otherwise.  But I'm not tryna convince you.  Just posting the numbers that are out there for others who may wish to know.

More than one.

[janet3 1,170]

17 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

I knew someone who claimed to have contracted the clap, the syph, pulmonary artery hypertension, cor triatriatum dexter, pheochromocytoma, methemoglobinemia, dental caries, and Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome all during a single ER visit.  However, I suspect that he was exaggerating slightly and really got only 2 or 3 -- or, at most, 4 -- of those.

Was that ER located in a prison? I’ve heard cleanliness is not a top priority and the food sucks in prison (have no first hand knowledge of this).