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10 hours ago, ALFKAD said:

pretty clear he dangled the child out of an open window. case dismissed 

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4 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

pretty clear he dangled the child out of an open window. case dismissed 

I really don't understand how they think they can win a lawsuit against the cruise company.........I understand that it was an accident......but I don't see how the company is liable.


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On 1/18/2020 at 9:58 AM, missileman said:

I really don't understand how they think they can win a lawsuit against the cruise company.........I understand that it was an accident......but I don't see how the company is liable.

It's America.  Everyone is sue-happy.  Terrible tragedy all around, and I am sure it will cause family problems down the road, but the cruise line is not culpable IMO.

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55 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

It's America.  Everyone is sue-happy.  Terrible tragedy all around, and I am sure it will cause family problems down the road, but the cruise line is not culpable IMO.

But the cruise line will eventually offer up enough money to make them drop the suit. 

The attorney will be the big winner in this case.


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On 1/18/2020 at 7:58 AM, missileman said:

I really don't understand how they think they can win a lawsuit against the cruise company.........I understand that it was an accident......but I don't see how the company is liable.

 

   I have read a few articles now where psychologist types suggest people can create a scenario like this because the guilt of what actually happened is too overwhelming. Possibly the grandfather actually believes it, and the parents are just following the grandfathers version of events. It may have been the first time anyone realized there was video.  

9 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

A man poked his head into a lawyer's office.

"How much do you charge for a consultation?" he asked.

"$900 for 3 questions," said the lawyer.

"Isn't $900 a little steep?" asked the man.

"No," said the lawyer.  "And what is your third question?"

 

 

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Soooo....

 

I don't know if I ever mentioned it on this forum before but I am an active cruiser. And Royal Caribbean is my go to cruise line. My wife, before she met me, had never been on a cruise but is now absolutely crazy about cruising after she has been on a few. She was always afraid of being out in the water, but once we were on the ship, she was surprised on how safe she felt.

 

With that being said, I am active on a couple of cruising forums and since the day this story broke, most active cruise said the grandfather's story simply did not pass the smell test. There were people who were even on the same cruise ship that this tragedy happened and took pictures of the very window where it happened. Even then you could tell that there was no way a person could not tell the difference of the window being open of closed. 

 

Now, here are some other things that came out since this accident. I will put an asterisk on those that are not officially confirmed.

  • The grandfather initially told authorities he lost his grip with the toddler. But then the story changed.
  • The area where the grandfather and child was, was the child area, but the window was in another area close to the child area.
  • The grandfather has been charged with child negligence by PR authorities.
  • The grandfather changed his story after obtaining a lawyer.*
  • The family is requesting the surveillance video be removed as evidence.*
  • The grandfather refused an alcohol test after the incident.*

If anyone that sees the video (and it is difficult to watch), you will see the grdfthr lean out the window before lifting the child and placing her out of it. It is extremely damaging evidence.

 

To @Steeleballz point, I think the family are struggling to grasp the concept of the grandfather doing something so idiotic and the grdfthr is effected mentally enough to where responsibility has been buried deep inside. And suing is a coping mechanism to place blame elsewhere.


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I attended some training today, and a new model of Toyota will prompt you to check the back seat and detect if anything is back there. This post isnt about that but..

 

I cant imagine any worse living hell than accidentally killing your own child. Not defending anyone, just saying I cant imagine the horror. I don't think I could go on living.

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1 minute ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I attended some training today, and a new model of Toyota will prompt you to check the back seat and detect if anything is back there. This post isnt about that but..

 

I cant imagine any worse living hell than accidentally killing your own child. Not defending anyone, just saying I cant imagine the horror. I don't think I could go on living.

 

  People wouldn't wish something like that on their worst enemies. It why the police are treating him leniently. He really should consider taking the deal of no jail time.


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19 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I attended some training today, and a new model of Toyota will prompt you to check the back seat and detect if anything is back there. This post isnt about that but..

 

I cant imagine any worse living hell than accidentally killing your own child. Not defending anyone, just saying I cant imagine the horror. I don't think I could go on living.

I don't see the accident. I see a grown man deliberately lift the child out a window and for whatever reason, he's not holding the child anymore. The law will go by only what can be proven, but thankfully I'm not the law, this person committed homicide, was a deliberate act that led to the death of a child, possibly murder. If he wanted a person to go out the window should've thrown himself out instead. No mercy for evil people. No one with a kind heart does that.

Edited by Burnt Reynolds

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20 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

I don't see the accident. I see a grown man deliberately lift the child out a window and for whatever reason, he's not holding the child anymore. The law will go by only what can be proven, but thankfully I'm not the law, this person committed homicide, was a deliberate act that led to the death of a child, possibly murder. If he wanted a person to go out the window should've thrown himself out instead. No mercy for evil people. No one with a kind heart does that.

Rather, to add an important point in.. before "lift the child out the window".. he, himself, prior to this, walks up to the window, casually LEANS out the open window (that was between waist and shoulder high, so probably 4-6'ish feet), before pulling himself back inside, grabbing the child (who was far smaller), lifting them up (shoulder high) and out the window, and at some point between then and the next minute, gone. Not an accident. 

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