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FBI agents manipulated Flynn file, as Clapper allegedly urged ‘kill shot’: court filing

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But "Fox is not a legitimate news organization."  So there.


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Can you say “Deep State”.


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5 hours ago, laylalex said:

But this is only an allegation... it's not like there has actually been a ruling on this. It's not actually proven or anything.

Isn’t that why legal proceedings are still occurring?


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7 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

Isn’t that why legal proceedings are still occurring?

Legal proceedings meaning "file a motion?"  I can spend $100 and file a motion to ask that last night's drubbing of Notre Dame  by Michigan and let the judge laugh. 

 

 

"Sidney Powell, Flynn’s attorney, filed a 37-page motion on Thursday, outlining several big allegations, once again requesting the government produce all evidence as it relates to Flynn — urging the court to “dismiss the entire prosecution for outrageous government misconduct” and hold the prosecutors in contempt."

 

 

 

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My dad's a lawyer, so what I know about the law is really from what I've picked up over the years from speaking with him over the dinner table. But what I know is that as long as a lawyer has a good faith belief that what's in the motion is true and there isn't an improper reason (like harassment) for filing the motion, the lawyer can't get in trouble. All you need is good faith -- it doesn't have to be true. Also, and this is the one my dad always said, if you don't ask, you don't get. So if you think you have any chance at getting something, you should ask for it! If his lawyer thinks she can shake this information out, she should try. This lawyer seems like a true believer in all sorts of conspiracy theories so I bet she's acting in good faith, even if it's nuts! :lol: 

 

All I was trying to say was that it's sort of meaningless whether one side puts something in a motion. You can put anything in a motion. And legal proceedings are only continuing because Flynn hasn't been sentenced. He's guilty, by his own admission. It's sort of silly to think that this is anything more than an attempt to get a good deal for her client, but honestly it's going to backfire. The judge is going to shoot this down pretty fast. But this isn't a pleading meant for a judge, really, it's meant to get certain parts of the media and certain parts of the country riled up about conspiracy theories. 

 

Just my two pennies. :) 

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12 hours ago, laylalex said:

The judge is going to shoot this down pretty fast.

Would be willing to bet some cash money on the opposite.


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10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

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07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

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13 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Would be willing to bet some cash money on the opposite.

I'm going to go with the lawyer's daughter on this one. (Why you did not emancipate yourself as a minor if that was your dinnertime conversation is a mystery to me.)

 

This judge is not impressed with the change in Flynn "team" (I use that loosely) tactics post-guilty plea. This is amateur theatrics on a grand stage and will not go anywhere. It's a waste of everyone's time and money. Flynn pleaded guilty, and there have been no credible allegations that he was railroaded into doing so. His attorney has a particular axe to grind. Judge Sullivan won't buy it.

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1 hour ago, elmcitymaven said:

I'm going to go with the lawyer's daughter on this one. (Why you did not emancipate yourself as a minor if that was your dinnertime conversation is a mystery to me.)

 

This judge is not impressed with the change in Flynn "team" (I use that loosely) tactics post-guilty plea. This is amateur theatrics on a grand stage and will not go anywhere. It's a waste of everyone's time and money. Flynn pleaded guilty, and there have been no credible allegations that he was railroaded into doing so. His attorney has a particular axe to grind. Judge Sullivan won't buy it.

Did yall hear that wooosh.. It was all the fun being sucked out of  the room . Please take facts and logic elsewhere 

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58 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Did yall hear that wooosh.. It was all the fun being sucked out of  the room . Please take facts and logic elsewhere 

Well, I am a feminist buzzkill.

 

Fun here is I was evacuated from work due to the Getty Center fire, so you gots me all afternoon, NB.

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2 hours ago, elmcitymaven said:

I'm going to go with the lawyer's daughter on this one. (Why you did not emancipate yourself as a minor if that was your dinnertime conversation is a mystery to me.)

 

This judge is not impressed with the change in Flynn "team" (I use that loosely) tactics post-guilty plea. This is amateur theatrics on a grand stage and will not go anywhere. It's a waste of everyone's time and money. Flynn pleaded guilty, and there have been no credible allegations that he was railroaded into doing so. His attorney has a particular axe to grind. Judge Sullivan won't buy it.

What surprises me is that Flynn plead guilty almost two years ago.  Why wasn’t he sentenced then?  I seem to remember some funny things related to our legal system occurring such as a judge was recused.  Did that judge, Contreras, sign off on a fishy FISA warrant regarding Flynn?  Who knows, but I guess that is that.  If Flynn plead out, sentence him and be done with it.  How much time does one get for supposedly lying to a bunch of liars?


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1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

What surprises me is that Flynn plead guilty almost two years ago.  Why wasn’t he sentenced then?  I seem to remember some funny things related to our legal system occurring such as a judge was recused.  Did that judge, Contreras, sign off on a fishy FISA warrant regarding Flynn?  Who knows, but I guess that is that.  If Flynn plead out, sentence him and be done with it.  How much time does one get for supposedly lying to a bunch of liars?

He wasn’t sentenced two years ago for several reasons. (Please bear in mind that I do almost NO federal work and what I do is civil, so this is based on my recollection of my criminal procedure and trial advocacy classes.) First, sentencing isn’t always immediate. There can be deals being struck between the prosecution and defense that will delay things, or there may be more information coming out after the plea that could be relevant to sentencing. And in a high profile case like this one, that appears to be what happened. Also, here both the prosecution and defense have asked for continuances of sentencing. It appears this has been so the sides can work together on finding something appropriate, that is acceptable to a judge. (Sullivan famously did NOT like the prosecution’s recommendation of no prison time for Flynn.) Additionally, there has been a change of legal team this summer for Flynn, precipitating further delay. It happens! Honestly, the delay has been good for Flynn -- he’s been free if convicted, and the likelihood he will face more than a token few weeks or months (max, in my opinion) is low. He’s going to be juuuuuust fine.

 

As for Contreras, yes, he was on the FISA court. But it is highly, HIGHLY unlikely that he would have gone all the way through to accepting the guilty plea without recusing himself had he been the one to sign off on the warrant. Yes, he did later recuse himself when he realized that he had a connection to Strzok, and was concerned about how that might make him look even though (in all likelihood) there was no real conflict. A judge has to avoid even the appearance of conflict, so he recused. Judges also don’t have to give reasons for recusal, so we’ll likely never know. Judges like being judges; they’re not going to put their posteriors on the line for something like this should the “truth” ever work its way out. Being a federal judge is a very sweet gig. Contreras wouldn’t risk that on this case.

 

Personally, I think it’s ridiculous that it’s gone on for two years. This should have been over at least a year ago.

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6 minutes ago, elmcitymaven said:

He wasn’t sentenced two years ago for several reasons. (Please bear in mind that I do almost NO federal work and what I do is civil, so this is based on my recollection of my criminal procedure and trial advocacy classes.) First, sentencing isn’t always immediate. There can be deals being struck between the prosecution and defense that will delay things, or there may be more information coming out after the plea that could be relevant to sentencing. And in a high profile case like this one, that appears to be what happened. Also, here both the prosecution and defense have asked for continuances of sentencing. It appears this has been so the sides can work together on finding something appropriate, that is acceptable to a judge. (Sullivan famously did NOT like the prosecution’s recommendation of no prison time for Flynn.) Additionally, there has been a change of legal team this summer for Flynn, precipitating further delay. It happens! Honestly, the delay has been good for Flynn -- he’s been free if convicted, and the likelihood he will face more than a token few weeks or months (max, in my opinion) is low. He’s going to be juuuuuust fine.

 

As for Contreras, yes, he was on the FISA court. But it is highly, HIGHLY unlikely that he would have gone all the way through to accepting the guilty plea without recusing himself had he been the one to sign off on the warrant. Yes, he did later recuse himself when he realized that he had a connection to Strzok, and was concerned about how that might make him look even though (in all likelihood) there was no real conflict. A judge has to avoid even the appearance of conflict, so he recused. Judges also don’t have to give reasons for recusal, so we’ll likely never know. Judges like being judges; they’re not going to put their posteriors on the line for something like this should the “truth” ever work its way out. Being a federal judge is a very sweet gig. Contreras wouldn’t risk that on this case.

 

Personally, I think it’s ridiculous that it’s gone on for two years. This should have been over at least a year ago.

The story on Contreras is that he was forced to recuse himself rather than he doing it out of some altruistic notion.  I don’t know, the whole thing seems fishy.


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