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I have a lot of feelings about this.

 

https://6abc.com/health/teen-given-birth-control-implant-at-school-without-parents-permission/5582694/

 

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A mother found out her 16-year-old daughter received a birth control implant at school after the teen started complaining about headaches and arm pain, according to WMAR.

Nicole Lambert sent her daughter to get checked out by a pediatrician.

 


The doctor said the three-year contraceptive had been implanted improperly and had to be removed.

Photos showed Lambert's daughter had the implant near the back of her arm instead of the inside of her upper arm.

 

So many questions. I understand current law doesn't require parental consent, but it doesn't seem like the nurse that performed this was properly trained, and that's very dangerous. Aside that though, I know my OBGYN that provides such devices, would never give this implant to anyone, especially in a young person, without trying other methods first and making sure they do not have any other conditions to be suitable for it!


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13 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

I have a lot of feelings about this.

 

https://6abc.com/health/teen-given-birth-control-implant-at-school-without-parents-permission/5582694/

 

 

So many questions. I understand current law doesn't require parental consent, but it doesn't seem like the nurse that performed this was properly trained, and that's very dangerous. Aside that though, I know my OBGYN that provides such devices, would never give this implant to anyone, especially in a young person, without trying other methods first and making sure they do not have any other conditions to be suitable for it!

It does seem weird to start with an implant. I do support not seeking parental consent for birth control though. And as you point out, there are possible risks that hormones can pose to women without knowing the true picture of their health. I feel like everyone probably meant well, but it just was a disaster due to the circumstances. 

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19 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

I have a lot of feelings about this.

 

https://6abc.com/health/teen-given-birth-control-implant-at-school-without-parents-permission/5582694/

 

 

So many questions. I understand current law doesn't require parental consent, but it doesn't seem like the nurse that performed this was properly trained, and that's very dangerous. Aside that though, I know my OBGYN that provides such devices, would never give this implant to anyone, especially in a young person, without trying other methods first and making sure they do not have any other conditions to be suitable for it!

Not getting parental OK for a minor is wrong on many levels. The Nanny state is here to stay and may as well just take the kids from parents that are not Socialists and hand them to people that are good little comrades and if the parents complain then take them out back and put a bullet in their head.

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39 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

I have a lot of feelings about this.

 

https://6abc.com/health/teen-given-birth-control-implant-at-school-without-parents-permission/5582694/

 

 

So many questions. I understand current law doesn't require parental consent, but it doesn't seem like the nurse that performed this was properly trained, and that's very dangerous. Aside that though, I know my OBGYN that provides such devices, would never give this implant to anyone, especially in a young person, without trying other methods first and making sure they do not have any other conditions to be suitable for it!

school is not the place anyway. Why would a 16 year old girl get a ####### job at school ?

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2 hours ago, laylalex said:

It does seem weird to start with an implant. I do support not seeking parental consent for birth control though. And as you point out, there are possible risks that hormones can pose to women without knowing the true picture of their health. I feel like everyone probably meant well, but it just was a disaster due to the circumstances. 

 

   Kind of weird though. My daughter at 17 still needs parental consent to go on a school trip or to get a tattoo. I understand the desire to prevent teen pregnancy, but it’s naive for these agencies to think that a teenager can actually understand all of the potential risks and consequences of an implant and to believe they could actually manage all those outcomes on their own. 

 

   


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4 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Kind of weird though. My daughter at 17 still needs parental consent to go on a school trip or to get a tattoo. I understand the desire to prevent teen pregnancy, but it’s naive for these agencies to think that a teenager can actually understand all of the potential risks and consequences of an implant and to believe they could actually manage all those outcomes on their own. 

 

   

Well, the tattoo is potentially for life, whereas birth control is reversible, so I don't see a strictly analogous situation. Plus, there is the issue of parents exerting a level of control of their children's sexual health so that the children are compelled to do things that are not in their best interests simply because a parent has a moral issue with birth control. I would rather a teenager have easy access to birth control in the context of decent sex education, in the privacy of a well-trained school nurse's office or with a visiting trained healthcare professional, than have to go to their pediatrician. I was very squeamish about talking about BC with my mom, who is a general practitioner, when I really needed it. She was surprisingly (to me) blase and referred me to a colleague. But I had/have a fairly decent relationship with my mom, and she was receptive to this kind of conversation. I can think of many parents who would not have been.

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2 minutes ago, laylalex said:

Well, the tattoo is potentially for life, whereas birth control is reversible, so I don't see a strictly analogous situation. Plus, there is the issue of parents exerting a level of control of their children's sexual health so that the children are compelled to do things that are not in their best interests simply because a parent has a moral issue with birth control. I would rather a teenager have easy access to birth control in the context of decent sex education, in the privacy of a well-trained school nurse's office or with a visiting trained healthcare professional, than have to go to their pediatrician. I was very squeamish about talking about BC with my mom, who is a general practitioner, when I really needed it. She was surprisingly (to me) blase and referred me to a colleague. But I had/have a fairly decent relationship with my mom, and she was receptive to this kind of conversation. I can think of many parents who would not have been.

Well as @yuna628 stated, this nurse was apparently not well trained.


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2 hours ago, luckytxn said:

put a bullet in their head

I read this as "put a buffet in their head."  Must be past lunchtime...


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Just now, laylalex said:

Oh yes, I agree! I think I was stating my "perfect world" scenario, and that may not have come across. :) 

In a perfect world, kids would be able to talk about these sorts of things with their parents, and parents would be able to listen without judging and together they would research the potentials.


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2 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

In a perfect world, kids would be able to talk about these sorts of things with their parents, and parents would be able to listen without judging and together they would research the potentials.

That's what happened with me, and I'm very grateful for how my mom handled it. She was pleased I realized there was a need for it before the need actually arose, and that I could bring it up to her. I wanted to die from shame but she didn't judge me at all, except to be pleased with my taking responsibility. 

 

Neither of us mentioned it to my dad, some things are best left unsaid to fathers. :) When I was back down at home the other week with my fiance, he asked me if we were planning on sharing a room because the sofabed was always available. The mind boggles. 

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2 minutes ago, laylalex said:

Well, the tattoo is potentially for life, whereas birth control is reversible, so I don't see a strictly analogous situation. Plus, there is the issue of parents exerting a level of control of their children's sexual health so that the children are compelled to do things that are not in their best interests simply because a parent has a moral issue with birth control. I would rather a teenager have easy access to birth control in the context of decent sex education, in the privacy of a well-trained school nurse's office or with a visiting trained healthcare professional, than have to go to their pediatrician. I was very squeamish about talking about BC with my mom, who is a general practitioner, when I really needed it. She was surprisingly (to me) blase and referred me to a colleague. But I had/have a fairly decent relationship with my mom, and she was receptive to this kind of conversation. I can think of many parents who would not have been.

 

   The problem is, a teenager may be able to consent to the implant, but they won’t be able to give consent for the medical treatment required when something goes wrong. There is also not the usual family history discussion. My wife can’t take birth control because she gets severe issues with clotting and prolonged bleeding. Would it really be a good idea for my daughter to go through that without really understanding the potential consequences.

 

   Fortunately, my daughter actually discussed these things with us. I’m not even really against teenagers being able to give consent, but I do think parents should be notified, especially with younger teens.  We are ultimately responsible for their health and well being. We cant provide that when part of it is going on behind our back.

 

   The worst part is, if a teenager feels like she has to hide birth control from her parents, she probably will also try to hide it if things go bad. I think it’s a short sighted policy. I’m not a fan of any scenario where we do something and have to hope for the best for it to succeed. Things do go wrong.

   


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6 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

parents would be able to listen without judging

In some cases, there's always guilt:

 

A Jewish son calls his mother, who sounds very weak.  The son inquires why.

"I haven't eaten a thing for 3 weeks," the mother says.

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1 minute ago, Steeleballz said:

Man, for someone who doesn’t really like buffets, you sure spend a lot of time thinking about them.

A psychiatrist sees a man who has been referred for thinking only about baseball.

The psychiatrist administers a word-association test, to which every answer is "Baseball!"

The psychiatrist asks dozens of questions, the answers to which are always "Baseball!"

 

Finally, the psychiatrist pauses.  "You seem to think a lot about baseball," he concludes.  "Don't you ever think about, for example, food?"

"What?!" exclaims the patient.  "And miss my turn at bat?!"


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07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

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09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

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