Virginia police officer suspended for calling in ICE for driver involved in traffic crash

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Why do we need local police anymore?

 

 

A Fairfax County police officer has been suspended for allegedly detaining a driver involved in a traffic crash and turning the person over to Immigration and Customs Enforcement after discovering the individual had an immigration violation, the department announced Tuesday.

Fairfax County Police Chief Edwin Roessler apologized for the incident, saying the unnamed officer apparently violated the department's long-standing policy against performing civil immigration enforcement for ICE. An investigation was underway.

The incident comes as immigrant communities in Fairfax County and across the nation are on edge amid stepped-up immigration enforcement by the Trump administration. Many liberal jurisdictions such as Fairfax County have sought to limit their cooperation with ICE amid anger over President Donald Trump's policies.

 

https://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/virginia-police-officer-suspended-for-calling-in-ice-for-driver/article_9077d8cd-d1ec-569e-a520-055eba2cb7c9.html

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Texas passed a law that LEO  must comply with Immigration laws, so we don't have this "Sanctuary" ####### here.

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Better article IMO.

 

Matthew T. Albence, the acting director of ICE, said police departments routinely cooperate with other departments on warrants and detention requests and there is no reason they should treat ICE — a federal law enforcement agency — differently.

“I guarantee you, I can go into Fairfax County [court] today and there will probably be sheriffs from Loudoun County, sheriffs from Prince William County, maybe a couple of marshals guys that are there waiting for somebody,” he said. “It’s a common occurrence in law enforcement. The only reason it’s being made controversial is because politicians are looking to exploit it.”

Jessica Vaughan, policy studies director at the Center for Immigration Studies, said Fairfax County’s police department is getting the law enforcement equation backward.

“The police chief is ordering an investigation of an officer who did exactly the right thing by responding to an active ICE warrant on an illegal alien who was a fugitive,” she said. “It’s astonishing that a police chief is more intent on punishing his officer than seeing to it that legitimate laws are enforced.”

She disputed the police department’s suggestion that the county officer was acting as an agent of ICE. She said that is no more true than if he had held someone for a warrant issued by neighboring Montgomery County in Maryland.

She said Fairfax police intended to shame the officer.

 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/1/fairfax-county-suspends-police-officer-ice-coopera/

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Remember back after 9-11 when it was determined our law enforcement agencies were not working well together and sharing info.  We were told that was going to change.

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Maybe Fairfax should start ignoring all outstanding warrants regardless of the entity that issued them.

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Today I learned a Pulitzer is meaningless.

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26 minutes ago, laylalex said:

Today I learned a Pulitzer is meaningless.

Aren’t all industry awards meaningless?

Edited October 3, 2019 by Bill & Katya

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Read and article today that he was re instated and basically they apologized to him

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8 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

Maybe Fairfax should start ignoring all outstanding warrants regardless of the entity that issued them.

Selective enforcement? Why not?

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2 minutes ago, luckytxn said:

Selective enforcement? Why not?

Yep, why not?

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13 hours ago, Falcon Cara said:

Read and article today that he was re instated and basically they apologized to him

I finally found this.  Doesn't appear there was any apology, the officer did have go through remedial training though.

 

https://dcist.com/story/19/10/02/fairfax-county-officer-suspended-for-detaining-immigrant-for-ice/

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1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

I finally found this.  Doesn't appear there was any apology, the officer did have go through remedial training though.

 

https://dcist.com/story/19/10/02/fairfax-county-officer-suspended-for-detaining-immigrant-for-ice/

I just scanned the story.

 

I would quit and tell my boss it KMA

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We are moving rapidly into making illegals a protected class like Sexual orientation, race, etc

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I don't know why we can't walk and chew gum at the same time anymore. There are good reasons why certain police jurisdictions don't enforce immigration law - For one, they're neither Federal, nor tasked with immigration enforcement. But more importantly, the immigration debate needs a very large dose of reality checking from both sides.

 

1. People who are vehemently opposed to 'sanctuary cities' need to understand that those cities often tend to have a large undocumented population, often making up a sizable percentage of lower-income, crime infested neighborhoods. No amount of strict (civilized) laws will make people voluntarily return to a gang infested city in i.e. Honduras. It is also economically/politically unrealistic to deport even a fraction of the people here currently under the radar. Trump or no Trump, the U.S. will continue to have millions of people living here illegally. You can't have good policing if you don't have community trust. Community trust, in part, comes from citizens feeling like the police is on their side. If people fear deportation, they will be less likely to ask the police for help, report crimes, or cooperate with police investigations.

 

- Unrealistic hardline/no mercy policies typically lead to leftist backlash.

 

2. People who are all gung ho about sanctuary cities need to ask themselves what the point of having an immigration system is, if it cannot be enforced. Particularly, there is no reason why deportable offenses (CIMTs) shouldn't trigger a referral to ICE, if it turns out that the perpetrator is not in the country legally. It would also help soften up immigration hardliners to come up with solutions, rather than slogans such as "we're all immigrants." Those are irrelevant statements, not solutions, and they serve no other purpose than to make people think liberals all want open borders (which is how Trump wins).

 

- Unrealistic utopian policies typically lead to right-wing backlash.

Edited October 4, 2019 by JayJayH

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20 minutes ago, JayJayH said:

I don't know why we can't walk and chew gum at the same time anymore. There are good reasons why certain police jurisdictions don't enforce immigration law - For one, they're neither Federal, nor tasked with immigration enforcement. But more importantly, the immigration debate needs a very large dose of reality checking from both sides.

 

1. People who are vehemently opposed to 'sanctuary cities' need to understand that those cities often tend to have a large undocumented population, often making up a sizable percentage of lower-income, crime infested neighborhoods. No amount of strict (civilized) laws will make people voluntarily return to a gang infested city in i.e. Honduras. It is also economically/politically unrealistic to deport even a fraction of the people here currently under the radar. Trump or no Trump, the U.S. will continue to have millions of people living here illegally. You can't have good policing if you don't have community trust. Community trust, in part, comes from citizens feeling like the police is on their side. If people fear deportation, they will be less likely to ask the police for help, report crimes, or cooperate with police investigations.

 

- Unrealistic hardline/no mercy policies typically lead to leftist backlash.

 

2. People who are all gung ho about sanctuary cities need to ask themselves what the point of having an immigration system is, if it cannot be enforced. Particularly, there is no reason why deportable offenses (CIMTs) shouldn't trigger a referral to ICE, if it turns out that the perpetrator is not in the country legally. It would also help soften up immigration hardliners to come up with solutions, rather than slogans such as "we're all immigrants." Those are irrelevant statements, not solutions, and they serve no other purpose than to make people think liberals all want open borders (which is how Trump wins).

 

- Unrealistic utopian policies typically lead to right-wing backlash.

It is interesting that you do not label utopian as a left-wing construct.  Hey, if cities want to be sanctuaries, that is their government’s choice, but this should come with the full understanding that the Federal LEOs will not cooperate with them.  Of course, this is not realistic, all police departments should honor any duly issued warrant from whatever organization obtained it, and not simply cherry pick for political reasons.

Edited October 4, 2019 by Bill & Katya