JOB TERMINATION- HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS?

[Steeleballz 7,550]

5 minutes ago, 2019Xray (2) said:

Up until the PIP, HR had nothing on me. It seems they needed something, hence the PIP

 

   That does seem like it's possible. Do you or anyone even have any suspicion as to why. You said it might be a personality conflict issue with a manager?

[Nitas_man 3,100]

12 minutes ago, 2019Xray (2) said:

I am trying to avoid these suspicions. It's been 2 months. But how can it end while HR has refused to even share what they have? It's my personal career info. They gave me a generic dismissal letter yet it seems they have one which has more explanations. They don't want to share it.

What state is this?

[Nitas_man 3,100]

3 hours ago, 2019Xray said:

And I do agree. 

As I stated,  3/4 interviewers have asked me about Person X, my former Supervisor. These people know each other.

And as I know that he doesn't keep his mouth shut, he may be spewing negative remarks, while not acting on company behalf but "buddy" mode, about me to his friends who happen to be my interviewers. Why is he hoovering on my LinkedIn anyway?

The reason we are prohibited from speaking about former employees is because by doing so we are potentially putting the company at risk of liability.  If asked, we are supposed to refer someone to HR for employment verification and that is all we can say, good or bad.

 

In my view (speaking from the standpoint of 26 years in 7 global companies) your former supervisor is out of line.  

 

I’d terminate one of my people for doing that.  Nothing personal and it wouldn’t follow him/her past the lobby but I wouldn’t tolerate that kind of behavior.

 

 

[Ontarkie 13,918]

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[2019Xray 2]

Update.

 

I did the employment verification as suggested. It was due yesterday. I still haven't got anything as of today. 

The attached, boxed in red, caught my attention. Since verification is solely through email and it's taking this long, then it begs the question as of how the other companies that rescinded my offers quickly got info other than "off the record" phone call since as I said, these department heads pretty much know each other. 

 

And I did give this employment verification agency the direct phone number to HR. So I don't know how it was invalid during their initial call.

 

Anyway, I hope to get tangible information soon from the verification and will update VJers.

 

On another note: Can I go to the courthouse, explain in 2 mins that all I want is to get a record of my termination file and ask a judge to kindly sign a form forcing my past employer to turn in all that's in my termination file along with those evidences that HR claims to have? I am curious as to what's on this file since as I said, I had no record up until the forced PIP. I'm just trying to think of other options 

Edited October 2, 2019 by 2019Xray

[geowrian 22,335]

1 hour ago, 2019Xray said:

On another note: Can I go to the courthouse, explain in 2 mins that all I want is to get a record of my termination file and ask a judge to kindly sign a form forcing my past employer to turn in all that's in my termination file along with those evidences that HR claims to have? I am curious as to what's on this file since as I said, I had no record up until the forced PIP. I'm just trying to think of other options 

That's a question for an attorney, but I would be very surprised if a judge would make any such order without a pending claim. It's like asking a judge to give you a copy of the neighbor's video footage because you believe they stole your lawnmower...unless there is a case requiring discovery and the full process to obtain the footage is followed, it's their property to do with as they will.

[2019Xray 2]

On 9/26/2019 at 5:05 PM, Steeleballz said:

 

   That does seem like it's possible. Do you or anyone even have any suspicion as to why. You said it might be a personality conflict issue with a manager?

No idea. I was also caught off guard with all this. I just wish I'd know why I was terminated so as to bring a closer to all this. It would have been easier to be asked to resign and move on. 

 

1. Something just flashed through my brain. I was a Bachelor's graduate. A Master's graduate was to start on the 29th of July. I was terminated 12th of July and they thought they'd look good by giving me 2 weeks severance pay. My question is - does this look as if they had given my position to the new graduate hence the quick PIP and shoving off the door? From my angle, it seemed that they already did, hence shoving me quickly off the door, offering to pay severance and making sure I'm out and creating room before this new graduate came in. I know for a fact that the other departments did not hire a graduate this year. 

 

2. Me - Male African 

     New Hire - White Caucasian 

 

I hate to bring this up,  but I'm trying to see the play from all angels. I'm trying to see if race played a part here since my Supervisor was a known smirk. Company had over 14000 employees. My location had 60~70 out of which there were only 2 Black employees, another senior guy in my department who's well above everyone in terms of experience and me. Basically, the only 2 black people in my location were in my department. 

 

3. I was also the one who organized training sessions. Around June 2019, a company emailed my Supervisor and told him they'd fly ALL Junior members to a training in New Orleans. He walked past me and told 2 other colleagues, who were above me in terms of grade, that they'd be going. I heard him. So I asked why I wasn't going. Am I not the one who organized all these sessions anyway? He told me he needed my help in something during that period and furthermore,  he only had 2 plane tickets. This was a lie because 2 days later, a young but senior colleague added himself to this trip for fun. He already knew all this stuff. He just wanted to go stroll in New Orleans. Surprisingly,  a plane ticket became available. Anyway, come that day, he ended up not going because he had other commitments. Nonetheless,  I was not deemed worthy to take his ticket. Basically, my Supervisor was deny me training opportunities. Another department head was surprised that I've learnt a lot on my own, with no hand on exposure (He said it loud. This other department head had a heart. God bless his soul. Upon knowing my situation, incase he had anything,  he'd come and pick me up for some teaching). 

On the last job that I applied to, the department heads were aghast that I know a lot of things which a graduate shouldn't be handling at this time. This is one if the jobs that rescinded the offer. 

 

 

Edited October 2, 2019 by 2019Xray

[Steeleballz 7,550]

9 minutes ago, 2019Xray said:

No idea. I was also caught off guard with all this. I just wish I'd know why I was terminated so as to bring a closer to all this. It would have been easier to be asked to resign and move on. 

 

1. Something just flashed through my brain. I was a Bachelor's graduate. A Master's graduate was to start on the 29th of July. I was terminated 12th of July and they thought they'd look good by giving me 2 weeks severance pay. My question is - does this look as if they had given my position to the new graduate hence the quick PIP and shoving off the door? From my angle, it seemed that they already did, hence shoving me quickly off the door, offering to pay severance and making sure I'm out and creating room before this new graduate came in. I know for a fact that the other departments did not hire a graduate this year. 

 

2. Me - Male African 

     New Hire - White Caucasian 

 

I hate to bring this up,  but I'm trying to see the play from all angels. I'm trying to see if race played a part here since my Supervisor was a known smirk. Company had over 14000 employees. My location had 60~70 out of which there were only 2 Black employees, another senior guy in my department who's well above everyone in terms of experience and me. Basically, the only 2 black people in my location were in my department. 

 

3. I was also the one who organized training sessions. Around June 2019, a company emailed my Supervisor and told him they'd fly ALL Junior members to a training in New Orleans. He walked past me and told 2 other colleagues, who were above me in terms of grade, that they'd be going. I heard him. So I asked why I wasn't going. Am I not the one who organized all these sessions anyway? He told me he needed my help in something during that period and furthermore,  he only had 2 plane tickets. This was a lie because 2 days later, a young but senior colleague added himself to this trip for fun. He already knew all this stuff. He just wanted to go stroll in New Orleans. Surprisingly,  a plane ticket became available. Anyway, come that day, he ended up not going because he had other commitments. Nonetheless,  I was not deemed worthy to take his ticket. Basically, my Supervisor was deny me training opportunities. Another department head was surprised that I've learnt a lot on my own, with no hand on exposure (He said it loud. This other department head had a heart. God bless his soul. Upon knowing my situation, incase he had anything,  he'd come and pick me up for some teaching). 

On the last job that I applied to, the department heads were aghast that I know a lot of things which a graduate shouldn't be handling at this time. This is one if the jobs that rescinded the offer. 

 

 

 

      Have you tried asking any of the companies that rescinded the offers for a reason? You still need to get more information and you are not going to get it voluntarily from the company that terminated you. 

 

    Seriously, based on your posts, I think you already have your answer. There's a lot of speculation, but it seems based on what you have said that a manager at the original company didn't like you, and all of the hiring managers know each other. Getting actual proof or reasons behind all of that may not be easy. Might be time to expand your job search to somewhere where they don't all know each other.

[2019Xray 2]

7 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

      Have you tried asking any of the companies that rescinded the offers for a reason? You still need to get more information and you are not going to get it voluntarily from the company that terminated you. 

 

    Seriously, based on your posts, I think you already have your answer. There's a lot of speculation, but it seems based on what you have said that a manager at the original company didn't like you, and all of the hiring managers know each other. Getting actual proof or reasons behind all of that may not be easy. Might be time to expand your job search to somewhere where they don't all know each other.

Yes. I asked them. None gave me an answer. The closet I ever got was the first one that pointed towards my former employer but refused to divulge more.

 

Yes. I am trying to move to another career field. Though it's difficult due to the fact that I've already spent nearly 2 years in this field. But I keep trying 

[2019Xray 2]

The Employment verification came back empty. Only employment dates were verified. 

[Boiler 43,512]

That is normal.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, 2019Xray said:

The Employment verification came back empty. Only employment dates were verified. 

 

   I suspected that. They are only doing the verification through human resources. That does answer part of your question though. It's not a bad reference coming from HR.

 

   The other issues you may need to be aware of and rule out would be something coming up on the background check or drug test if they do those things. Those are two common reasons for retracting a job offer. Also anything on your resume that doesn't check out could lead to an offer retraction. We actually have reference checks done before offering a position so it would actually be unusual (for us) to retract a job because of this. If there is a bad reference, we would not offer the position in the first place. Not saying it doesn't happen though. Different employers may have a different process, and certainly an unsolicited reference could come at any time in the process. 

 

   Just to clarify my previous post, I wasn't suggesting you change careers, I was suggesting looking in a different geographic area. I'm not sure if that is an option for you. Just based on all that you have said, it feels like you might have more luck somewhere where the hiring people are not all buddies with one another. 

[Villanelle 4,121]

Forgive me I havent read the entire thread. But from what I understand -- if you think the old job is telling people who call something that is making them rescind job offers um, .. why dont you just call the old job and say you are considering hiring "your name" and see what they tell you? 

[geowrian 22,335]

41 minutes ago, Villanelle said:

Forgive me I havent read the entire thread. But from what I understand -- if you think the old job is telling people who call something that is making them rescind job offers um, .. why dont you just call the old job and say you are considering hiring "your name" and see what they tell you? 

I think that's what they attempted (via a service) recently, but they only got the dates or employment (as one would expect). I think they are more concerned about word-of-mouth information going around, not anything on the record.

[2019Xray 2]

8 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   I suspected that. They are only doing the verification through human resources. That does answer part of your question though. It's not a bad reference coming from HR.

 

Yes. It did. So it pretty tells me it's "off the record talk" going around here. I've even emailed those companies that rescinded, asking then what I could do to change their mindset. My emails have been ignored yet those positions are still being advertised. I'm sure I am already earmarked at those companies and as such, my future applications will be sent down the gutter.

 

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The other issues you may need to be aware of and rule out would be something coming up on the background check or drug test if they do those things. Those are two common reasons for retracting a job offer. Also anything on your resume that doesn't check out could lead to an offer retraction. We actually have reference checks done before offering a position so it would actually be unusual (for us) to retract a job because of this. If there is a bad reference, we would not offer the position in the first place. Not saying it doesn't happen though. Different employers may have a different process, and certainly an unsolicited reference could come at any time in the process. 

I know it's not my references. Immediately after my interview and before any salary negotiations,  my references called me and told me they had been reached. After reaching to my references,  it was thereafter that salary and start date negotiations started. 

 

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   Just to clarify my previous post, I wasn't suggesting you change careers, I was suggesting looking in a different geographic area. I'm not sure if that is an option for you. Just based on all that you have said, it feels like you might have more luck somewhere where the hiring people are not all buddies with one another. 

I understood you clearly. I am working on that. I apply daily. 

 

4 hours ago, geowrian said:

I think that's what they attempted (via a service) recently, but they only got the dates or employment (as one would expect). I think they are more concerned about word-of-mouth information going around, not anything on the record.

Exactly as @geowrian said. 

 

Man, I am tired and exhausted. I've paid my debts through a difficult career field, got my grades, paid my way through school while doing people's assignments as it was impossible for my family to pay all the fees,  did numerous odd jobs to sustain myself and etc. It is indeed stressful that I came to hit a roadblock which I can't seem to maneuver. Someone purposely put this roadblock and they are patting each other on the back while they see me suffer. I seriously don't understand why they're on my LinkedIn. 

Edited October 5, 2019 by 2019Xray