'White supremacy': popular knitting website Ravelry bans support for Trump

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28 minutes ago, laylalex said:

Isn't it okay for friends and allies to disagree with each other from time to time? My understanding from reading that article you posted earlier is that while some trans women and people of color objected to the hats, not all did. No one is requiring people to wear the hats. Every group and sub-group is always going to have members who disagree strongly with what the main group or subgroup is doing. Talking about these issues is good!  

That is the point.  With the identity politics the Democrats and the Left push, if anyone of any of the identity categories is offended by an action, symbol, or speech, then it must be silenced, ended or destroyed.

Edited July 11, 2019 by Bill & Katya

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5 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

That is the point.  With the identity politics the Democrats and the Left push, if anyone of any of the identity categories is offended by an action, symbol, or speech, then it must be silenced, ended or destroyed.

Wow, not my experience at all. Do you mix in real life with a lot of Democrats and Progressives? Like, actually hang out with them, get to know them? People can sound one way on the internet that doesn't match who they are in real life. Also, people who sound outraged or make crazy diktats tend to shout louder than the reasonable majority. I'd say that goes for both sides (if Republicans/Conservatives are really always the other side of Democrats/Liberals). I know some perfectly lovely Conservatives with whom I disagree on many, many things politically and they're not shouting out that it's not acceptable for two gay people to marry each other, or that women shouldn't be allowed to have abortions. These are their private beliefs that they put into action through voting and speaking with their elected representatives. I guess most people are probably like that.  

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13 minutes ago, laylalex said:

Wow, not my experience at all. Do you mix in real life with a lot of Democrats and Progressives? Like, actually hang out with them, get to know them? People can sound one way on the internet that doesn't match who they are in real life. Also, people who sound outraged or make crazy diktats tend to shout louder than the reasonable majority. I'd say that goes for both sides (if Republicans/Conservatives are really always the other side of Democrats/Liberals). I know some perfectly lovely Conservatives with whom I disagree on many, many things politically and they're not shouting out that it's not acceptable for two gay people to marry each other, or that women shouldn't be allowed to have abortions. These are their private beliefs that they put into action through voting and speaking with their elected representatives. I guess most people are probably like that.  

Real people are a lot different than the folks that claim to be our leaders.  Sure, the most of the Dems I know in real life are nothing like the Dems that occupy Washington, they tend to have more common sense.  I think that is one of the reasons Donald Trump was elected, people fed up with the direction of our political leaders.  Some of them may be a bit more socialist than I would prefer, and feel the feds should fix everything, so I generally refrain from talking to them as they usually don’t want to have their bubble burst.  I did have a similar experience that you had with your ex though, in my case it was a gf who was a blazing leftist.  I usually don’t talk politics at home, so I put up with it for a time, but she basically said goodbye when I did express my support for right-to-work laws as she was a hyped in the wall unionists.

 

Then of course there are the activist for whatever political identity group is currently in vogue.  The one big thing though with identity politics is that eventually, the political allies will run afoul of each other as we are seeing with some well known lesbians and the transgendered crowd.

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3 hours ago, laylalex said:

Wow, not my experience at all. Do you mix in real life with a lot of Democrats and Progressives? Like, actually hang out with them, get to know them? People can sound one way on the internet that doesn't match who they are in real life. Also, people who sound outraged or make crazy diktats tend to shout louder than the reasonable majority. I'd say that goes for both sides (if Republicans/Conservatives are really always the other side of Democrats/Liberals). I know some perfectly lovely Conservatives with whom I disagree on many, many things politically and they're not shouting out that it's not acceptable for two gay people to marry each other, or that women shouldn't be allowed to have abortions. These are their private beliefs that they put into action through voting and speaking with their elected representatives. I guess most people are probably like that.  

I do associate alot with Liberals alot because my two best friends who I consider my brother and sister lean to left. My brother the one who told me that our sister was gay and afraid to come out to me because she knew my stance on it at the time. I called her right after he told me and we had a long talk about everything and I reevaluated my whole outlook on the matter.

 

Now I could care less about same sex marriage and I was even one of the bridesmaid (I am a guy) to her wedding. She even had me volunteer at the local pride festival last year and I plan on doing it again this year. 

 

I am trying to do all of this to help show that not all Republicans or Conservatives are bad, and actually we are good people. Then use this to help run for a election next year 

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6 hours ago, Randyandyuni said:

I answered him because he asked, the hats were rather graphic is some cases. Genitalia whether symbolic or actual have no place in a public demonstration that is widely shown and discussed. I would have been equally angry had it been male rather then female

 

Thank you for accepting my apology.

There you have it.... honesty with your kids.   Good on you!  Better than those who mask the problem and hide it from their kids.

 

The women's march, all those who felt threatened by one little man, while I find it a little cray cray, I can understand.  The #pussyhats, I can in no way empathize,  because it was just ridiculous.  It was offensive to anyone with a moral compass.

 

I remember the night of the election, as it slowly became clear that Trump would win.... women I had known for years proclaiming that they wouldn't be able to go outside the next day for fear of being groped or raped.  I even asked a couple of (used to be) close female friends, "You DO realize that Obama will still be in charge for a few months, right?"  I was told to shut up, that America was no longer safe for women.

 

Yet here we are almost three years later, and I see a whole BUNCH of women in the aisles of the local grocery store (guess they were not all THAT afraid to leave home!).  And no one has grabbed my spouse by the pink hat.  It's almost like... it was a melodramatic, made-up reality of some crazy people who wanted attention.  But to date, none of the bad stuff has happened, any more than it did 10 years ago.

 

Imagine that.

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I continue to knit my brows over this whole Ravelry thing.

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9 hours ago, laylalex said:

That's not how I read it at all. I read that you were presuming to know my motives before I even posted what they were. And then I posted what they were. If that is not what you meant to say, I apologize for misreading it. I tend to get a little emotional sometimes when I think about this time in my life, it was such a mess.

I'm a pretty straight shooter.  I ask when I want to know something, and I tell ya what I believe to be true.  Yer problems with your man are just that... yours.

 

That being said, sorry it happened to ya.  But you are far from alone.  I married the wrong person (no politics involved) at a very young age.  And we split.  Time marched on.  So did I.  And then she died.  The girl who never wanted to leave her home town died in her home town after wrecking a coupla marriages.  And I got to see a bit of the world that I would never have seen had i stayed married to her.  And considering she is now worm dirt, I reckon I came out ahead in the long run.

 

Yeah, that's probably a tad cynical.  But that's how I am.  Wanna know something else?  You, as a woman, can be anything you want to be.  Sex does not define ability. You can be whatever you choose.  Whatever makes you happy. And no one, not your ex, not Trump, can change that, unless YOU allow them to.  It's up to YOU to allow someone else to dictate your status in life.  Or not to do so.  I'm sure you are realizing and enjoying this now, so good on you.

 

Hopefully, you are also able to realize that no man, not even our president, can authorize anyone to grab you by the kitty.  No person can keep you down.  No one but you can limit your potential.  You don't need a march nor a knitted pink hat to tell you that.  You just need to accept that you can be as awesome as you choose.  It really is THAT simple.   I've reached that point in my life, and I hope you have too.  Everyone deserves to feel that way.

 

Back to our original posts, I asked because you are the only woman I "know" (virtually) who wore a hat or attended a march.  So you were the first I had the luxury of asking.  I presumed nothing, and was genuinely interested in knowing the "why".   Welcome to CEHST, and thanks for your honest responses. 

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6 hours ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

I do associate alot with Liberals alot because my two best friends who I consider my brother and sister lean to left. My brother the one who told me that our sister was gay and afraid to come out to me because she knew my stance on it at the time. I called her right after he told me and we had a long talk about everything and I reevaluated my whole outlook on the matter.

 

Now I could care less about same sex marriage and I was even one of the bridesmaid (I am a guy) to her wedding. She even had me volunteer at the local pride festival last year and I plan on doing it again this year. 

 

I am trying to do all of this to help show that not all Republicans or Conservatives are bad, and actually we are good people. Then use this to help run for a election next year 

Not all Republicans or Conservatives are bad no matter what narrative the mainstream media is pushing.  The thing that does concern me is the absolute extreme positions the Dems and MDL are taking.  This extreme drift started way before President Trump took office, but of course he does function as lightening rod for these extremist.  Heck, folks think he is a white supremacist, but can show no evidence, he supposedly colluded with the Russians, but again, no evidence.  If one really took a look at his positions without judging the person, they would find they were very moderate.  He has never come out against same sex marriage unlike his predecessor, but the LGBT Leftist lobby hate him.  It is really puzzling of the extreme positions the Left is taking now, heck JFK would be rolling in his grave as the Dems completely ignore his “Ask not...” speech.

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On 7/11/2019 at 9:51 PM, ALFKAD said:

I'm a pretty straight shooter.  I ask when I want to know something, and I tell ya what I believe to be true.  Yer problems with your man are just that... yours.

 

That being said, sorry it happened to ya.  But you are far from alone.  I married the wrong person (no politics involved) at a very young age.  And we split.  Time marched on.  So did I.  And then she died.  The girl who never wanted to leave her home town died in her home town after wrecking a coupla marriages.  And I got to see a bit of the world that I would never have seen had i stayed married to her.  And considering she is now worm dirt, I reckon I came out ahead in the long run.

 

Yeah, that's probably a tad cynical.  But that's how I am.  Wanna know something else?  You, as a woman, can be anything you want to be.  Sex does not define ability. You can be whatever you choose.  Whatever makes you happy. And no one, not your ex, not Trump, can change that, unless YOU allow them to.  It's up to YOU to allow someone else to dictate your status in life.  Or not to do so.  I'm sure you are realizing and enjoying this now, so good on you.

 

Hopefully, you are also able to realize that no man, not even our president, can authorize anyone to grab you by the kitty.  No person can keep you down.  No one but you can limit your potential.  You don't need a march nor a knitted pink hat to tell you that.  You just need to accept that you can be as awesome as you choose.  It really is THAT simple.   I've reached that point in my life, and I hope you have too.  Everyone deserves to feel that way.

 

Back to our original posts, I asked because you are the only woman I "know" (virtually) who wore a hat or attended a march.  So you were the first I had the luxury of asking.  I presumed nothing, and was genuinely interested in knowing the "why".   Welcome to CEHST, and thanks for your honest responses. 

Sorry I'm so late in replying -- I've had a crazy few days at home (ex drama). Thanks for replying to me -- it's really good to have these kinds of open conversations where people on different sides of an issue can turn the volume down a little and talk about where they're coming from. In times like the ones we are living through now, I think it's really important to try to understand each other, even if we don't always agree. Glad to be here in this forum -- I had seen a couple of topics earlier I was interested in but I was a little afraid of butting in as a relatively new member!  

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31 minutes ago, laylalex said:

Sorry I'm so late in replying -- I've had a crazy few days at home (ex drama). Thanks for replying to me -- it's really good to have these kinds of open conversations where people on different sides of an issue can turn the volume down a little and talk about where they're coming from. In times like the ones we are living through now, I think it's really important to try to understand each other, even if we don't always agree. Glad to be here in this forum -- I had seen a couple of topics earlier I was interested in but I was a little afraid of butting in as a relatively new member!  

Welcome to CEHST. where feelings don't matter, but discourse does.  Feel FREE to butt in and share your views.  Being up front with you, the forum used to lean way left, now it leans more right.  But that just means we need more people such as yourself to balance things out.

 

I was afraid we skeert you the other day and you fled the scene of the crime... glad you got things done and came back!

 

 

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1 hour ago, laylalex said:

Sorry I'm so late in replying -- I've had a crazy few days at home (ex drama). Thanks for replying to me -- it's really good to have these kinds of open conversations where people on different sides of an issue can turn the volume down a little and talk about where they're coming from. In times like the ones we are living through now, I think it's really important to try to understand each other, even if we don't always agree. Glad to be here in this forum -- I had seen a couple of topics earlier I was interested in but I was a little afraid of butting in as a relatively new member!  

No reason to be afraid.  It is always nice to get different perspectives.

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32 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

Welcome to CEHST. where feelings don't matter, but discourse does.  Feel FREE to butt in and share your views.  Being up front with you, the forum used to lean way left, now it leans more right.  But that just means we need more people such as yourself to balance things out.

 

I was afraid we skeert you the other day and you fled the scene of the crime... glad you got things done and came back!

 

Great to know I am welcome, even if I am to the left of things in general. But I do like hearing from other perspectives so I will definitely be here for a while.  Our process is stalled at the moment while we're trying to figure out how to time getting married. Since my boyfriend/fiance is already over here, there's less hurry up it feels to get things moving than when I was dealing with bringing my ex here on a K1. We're also taking our time to make sure we are ready to get married since we both had messy divorces. I want to make sure that this is absolutely the right thing to do, even though I *know* in my bones that I love him completely. We have known each other for almost 14 years as friends, then boyfriend and girlfriend, then we broke up (and we HATED each other), then friends again, and then... something more when our marriages blew up. It's been a crazy road, and while his ex is fine with us being together and is very supportive of him moving on, my ex... is not. It's been a source of a lot of stress for me overall, and I spent this weekend dealing with his particular brand of crazy. He needs to get a new hobby!!!! 😠

 

2 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

No reason to be afraid.  It is always nice to get different perspectives.

Thank you! I hope to be able to bring some new ones.  

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"Orange man bad," the website. It's so ridiculous I don't know what to say other than ridicule the whole thing.