New York State Senate Passes Bill Permitting Abortions up to Birth

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,319]

3 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   If any one of us becomes king, then that's the moment our personal beliefs actually become important to someone other than ourselves. We may not like the decisions made at the state level and there are many more examples of that than this topic. It is the right of the state of NY to do this. We don't have to like it.

I agree with your assessment,  people that usally agree with my viewpoints are usually the first to point out the " powers not expressly granted" clause.  I try to remain consistent in my views , regardless if I personally agree or not.

 

That is why rare middle of the road guys like me make great supremacy court judges.

[Chris Duffy 1,256]

[Póg mo 1,749]

7 hours ago, Chris Duffy said:

I also noticed that there are so many children waiting to be adopted. Funny that.

[Lemonslice 4,567]

I have no problem with abortion at any time during the pregnancy; having read more than a few studies, there is very few abortions after the 25th week of pregnancy, unless the child is non viable, or the pregnancy is a risk to the mother's health.  Zero problem with any of it. 

[Chris Duffy 1,256]

6 minutes ago, Lemonslice said:

I have no problem with abortion at any time during the pregnancy; having read more than a few studies, there is very few abortions after the 25th week of pregnancy, unless the child is non viable, or the pregnancy is a risk to the mother's health.  Zero problem with any of it. 

Easy to say when you are born and living

 

What about the ones in womb who has no voice

[Steeleballz 7,550]

27 minutes ago, Chris Duffy said:

Easy to say when you are born and living

 

What about the ones in womb who has no voice

 

  Many outside the womb have no voice either. Perhaps you would like to speak for the ~1300 children killed by firearms each year? 

[Lemonslice 4,567]

20 minutes ago, Chris Duffy said:

Easy to say when you are born and living

 

What about the ones in womb who has no voice

Who am I to impose a child, when it will most probably be stillborn or kill its mother?   Zero problem with the NY law, very similar to what exists in Canada.

Abortion rate in developed countries are nearly been cut in half in the last 30 years; I believe contraception and educaiton are working.  And yup, foetuses have no voice - they are part of the mother, she does.

[Boiler 43,576]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/virginia-democratic-governor-touches-abortion-uproar-n964896

 

As pro choice with reservations I find this troubling.

[Randyandyuni 2,682]

9 minutes ago, Boiler said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/virginia-democratic-governor-touches-abortion-uproar-n964896

 

As pro choice with reservations I find this troubling.

I agree, i am pro choice also but with reasonable controls (specifically regarding timeframe) and actual danger to the mothers well being. If the child is profoundly handicapped, i understand the fear of raising that child but this can be determined early on in the pregnancy.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,319]

15 minutes ago, Randyandyuni said:

I agree, i am pro choice also but with reasonable controls (specifically regarding timeframe) and actual danger to the mothers well being. If the child is profoundly handicapped, i understand the fear of raising that child but this can be determined early on in the pregnancy.

Most of us are reluctantly pro choice with limits. I struggle to agree its ok to abort a viable fetus with no serous valid reason other than I dont want a child.  At that point you should deliver and adopt out 

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[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 minute ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Most of us are reluctantly pro choice with limits. I struggle to agree its ok to abort a viable fetus with no serous valid reason other than I dont want a child. 

 

    So do I, but I also struggle with the concept of applying my morality and will unilaterally on other people. If we leave these things up to a states right, we sometimes have to accept that different states will eventually do things that we don't like or agree with. I suggest everyone do what I do and don't live in NY. It works for me.

 

     

[jg121783 3,907]

2 hours ago, Póg mo said:

I also noticed that there are so many children waiting to be adopted. Funny that.

There are actually more people who want to adopt than abortions.

 

1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Most of us are reluctantly pro choice with limits. I struggle to agree its ok to abort a viable fetus with no serous valid reason other than I dont want a child.  At that point you should deliver and adopt out 

I am also pro choice. Your choices are use contraception, abstain or be ready for the possibility of having a child. I am for abortion for medical purposes but not for its use as a contraceptive.

[Boiler 43,576]

6 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

There are actually more people who want to adopt than abortions.

 

From what I have been able to gather, long story, most have certain requirements and the supply does not match. I was many years ago intrigued by why so many adopted from overseas so asked a few questions.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,319]

7 minutes ago, Boiler said:

From what I have been able to gather, long story, most have certain requirements and the supply does not match. I was many years ago intrigued by why so many adopted from overseas so asked a few questions.

Its next to impossible to adopt a child from here and bring to america , sadly 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

3 hours ago, Póg mo said:

I also noticed that there are so many children waiting to be adopted. Funny that.

Really?  You noticed that?  How many, exactly, are waiting to be adopted?