Travel Ban claims another victim

[salhasl 113]

Finally, this story is getting a bit of press 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mahmood-salem-kills-self-when-family-is-barred-from-us-trip-american_us_5b5cfcbfe4b0de86f497a9b1

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a22584044/yemeni-american-suicide-trumps-travel-ban/

And even (I am glad about this one - we need more conservative voices on this)

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/the-terrible-cost-of-the-cruel-and-unnecessary-travel-ban/

 

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I am not Yemeni, or even the same culture/ethnicity as any of these people. I actually am not even a very empathetic person. But If I have to send my kids back to a warzone because I ran out of money when they were so close to being rescued, I dont know what I would do. Not saying suicide is the answer, but I can understand what this guy might be going through. 

 

I didnt care too much about the ban - ban everyone under the sun - students, visitors, academics, artists, businessmen, All of those people can take their money/talent and spend it elsewhere.  Heck even ban parents, brothers and sisters - thats just an inconvenience.  But indefinitely barring spouses and kids - with no guidance/process/clarity on the future? That is just cruel.  

 

The fact thats completely bonkers about this thing is - and often gets lost in the noise, is they have not banned student visas for some of these countries. It like saying we can vet these countries F1 students, but not spouses and kids of US Citizens. So essentially, If you are a F1 student from these countries, you can bring your spouse and kids. But if you are a US CITIZEN, you cannot.

 

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Edited July 30, 2018 by salhasl

[Dashinka 26,180]

10 minutes ago, salhasl said:

Finally, this story is getting a bit of press 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mahmood-salem-kills-self-when-family-is-barred-from-us-trip-american_us_5b5cfcbfe4b0de86f497a9b1

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a22584044/yemeni-american-suicide-trumps-travel-ban/

And even (I am glad about this one - we need more conservative voices on this)

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/the-terrible-cost-of-the-cruel-and-unnecessary-travel-ban/

 

//begin rant

I am not Yemeni, or even the same culture/ethnicity as any of these people. I actually am not even a very empathetic person. But If I have to send my kids back to a warzone because I ran out of money when they were so close to being rescued, I dont know what I would do. Not saying suicide is the answer, but I can understand what this guy might be going through. 

 

I didnt care too much about the ban - ban everyone under the sun - students, visitors, academics, artists, businessmen, All of those people can take their money/talent and spend it elsewhere.  Heck even ban parents, brothers and sisters - thats just an inconvenience.  But indefinitely barring spouses and kids - with no guidance/process/clarity on the future? That is just cruel.  

 

The fact thats completely bonkers about this thing is - and often gets lost in the noise, is they have not banned student visas for some of these countries. It like saying we can vet these countries F1 students, but not spouses and kids of US Citizens. So essentially, If you are a F1 student from these countries, you can bring your spouse and kids. But if you are a US CITIZEN, you cannot.

 

//end rant

 

 

Don't we hear stories of people getting denied visas all the time regardless of a ban related to countries that don't cooperate with the processes of the US State Department?  Yemen is at least somewhat open where people can leave to get to a country that has a US Consulate, what does someone do from the DPRK that cannot even leave their country.  This guy had some serious psychological issues deciding to take his own life and doing great harm to his family for years to come.  There are always other options, but I guess it is all the fault of the US and the current occupant of the WH.  We make our own life choices and must take responsibility for them.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

54 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Don't we hear stories of people getting denied visas all the time regardless of a ban related to countries that don't cooperate with the processes of the US State Department?  Yemen is at least somewhat open where people can leave to get to a country that has a US Consulate, what does someone do from the DPRK that cannot even leave their country.  This guy had some serious psychological issues deciding to take his own life and doing great harm to his family for years to come.  There are always other options, but I guess it is all the fault of the US and the current occupant of the WH.  We make our own life choices and must take responsibility for them.

Dont know how many of you watch 90 fiance The couple Nicole and Azan. Azan got turned down for a K-1. it happens 

[Dashinka 26,180]

24 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Dont know how many of you watch 90 fiance The couple Nicole and Azan. Azan got turned down for a K-1. it happens 

No doubt it happens, heck it happens everyday here on VJ.  I guess everyone needs somebody to blame.

[Unidentified 2,930]

So now that he is gone who is taking care of the family?

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

14 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

So now that he is gone who is taking care of the family?

The government 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

31 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

So now that he is gone who is taking care of the family?

suicide is the ultimate selfish act isnt it 

[Little_Vixen 1,869]

1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

suicide is the ultimate selfish act isnt it 

Except that the person committing suicide actually sees it as the ultimate selfless act. In his mind he is ridding the world of a useless piece of poo that is only a burder to others.

Never ever downplay depression or suicide.

[Unidentified 2,930]

5 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

suicide is the ultimate selfish act isnt it 

No, not always. It depends on the situation. In this case: probably. I'm all for suicide (and euthanasia) when it comes to life being unbearable for medical reasons etc. But in this case you're kind of giving up on your family. Just leaving them to fend for themselves basically. 

[Unidentified 2,930]

4 minutes ago, Little_Vixen said:

Except that the person committing suicide actually sees it as the ultimate selfless act. In his mind he is ridding the world of a useless piece of poo that is only a burder to others.

Never ever downplay depression or suicide.

Yeah that is why Euthanasia in the Netherlands has gone way over board and killing off pretty much anyone... And this comes from someone who is pro-euthanasia by the way. 

[Little_Vixen 1,869]

Just now, Unidentified said:

Yeah that is why Euthanasia in the Netherlands has gone way over board and killing off pretty much anyone... And this comes from someone who is pro-euthanasia by the way. 

Sure, blame the Dutch? I've never in my whole life heard of a single case of euthanasia (with the exception of heavily applied morphine in dying people to ease their suffering and speeding their passing).

If I'm not mistaken it takes the express authorization of three physicians to end a patients life after unbearable suffering has been proven.

[Ron12345 17]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Dont know how many of you watch 90 fiance The couple Nicole and Azan. Azan got turned down for a K-1. it happens 

 

90 day fiance makes a mockery of fiance visas. There is no comparison between the 2.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

17 minutes ago, Ron12345 said:

 

90 day fiance makes a mockery of fiance visas. There is no comparison between the 2.

That part I agree with.