Forthcoming Asylum Rules Crackdown

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

It looks like there are some forthcoming new rules for asylum cases that will be put out for public comment here soon. These new rules will make it harder for people to file for asylum and next to impossible if you enter illegally.

 

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/29/17514590/asylum-illegal-central-american-immigration-trump

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 hour ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

It looks like there are some forthcoming new rules for asylum cases that will be put out for public comment here soon. These new rules will make it harder for people to file for asylum and next to impossible if you enter illegally.

 

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/29/17514590/asylum-illegal-central-american-immigration-trump

As it should be 

[jg121783 3,908]

Realistically anyone who comes to the US from Mexico who isn't from Mexico should be applying for asylum in Mexico (or whatever country the go through first). If they fail to apply for asylum in Mexico first they are not entitled to asylum here. Also I see no problem with requiring people applying for asylum to go through an official port of entry.

[Crazy Cat 39,826]

It looks like this is just enforcement of existing law.......good.

Edited June 29, 2018 by missileman

[Cyberfx1024 7,978]

30 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

Realistically anyone who comes to the US from Mexico who isn't from Mexico should be applying for asylum in Mexico (or whatever country the go through first). If they fail to apply for asylum in Mexico first they are not entitled to asylum here. Also I see no problem with requiring people applying for asylum to go through an official port of entry.

But the humanity of waiting a long time for the claims to be processed. 

[jg121783 3,908]

40 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

But the humanity of waiting a long time for the claims to be processed. 

I know. Just like the human rights violation my wife endured waiting a year for a visa.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

2 hours ago, jg121783 said:

I know. Just like the human rights violation my wife endured waiting a year for a visa.

We been waiting on citizenship over 1 year now 

 

[bcking 3,157]

4 hours ago, jg121783 said:

I know. Just like the human rights violation my wife endured waiting a year for a visa.

I'm assuming your wife's life wasnt threatened while waiting to go through "official channels"...

[TBoneTX 43,521]

On this day (June 30) 10 years ago, after our second complete hosing at the rogue Guayaquil consulate, and amidst grinding my teeth into dust, I observed to Mrs. T-B.-to-be, "If you were an illegal Mexican, you'd be in the U.S. already and be on top of the world."  She nodded in agreement.

 

Speaking of which, a massive thread about the above debacle is finally being composed.  It will take several more weeks before it appears in the Embassy/Consulate forum.  Several individuals and institutions will be thoroughly barbecued.  It will make your computer melt.

[jg121783 3,908]

6 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

We been waiting on citizenship over 1 year now 

 

Oh the horror. It's all Trump's fault.

 

4 hours ago, bcking said:

I'm assuming your wife's life wasnt threatened while waiting to go through "official channels"...

Technically no though you could argue she had to wait in a dangerous country for her visa. Someone did try to set off a bomb at the embassy a week or so before her interview if that counts as life threatening. Fortunately for asylum seekers their life isn't in danger waiting here in the US for their application to be approved.

[Chris Duffy 1,257]

7 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

We been waiting on citizenship over 1 year now 

 

We are going on 2 years for a 10 year Greencard

[bcking 3,157]

3 hours ago, jg121783 said:

Oh the horror. It's all Trump's fault.

 

Technically no though you could argue she had to wait in a dangerous country for her visa. Someone did try to set off a bomb at the embassy a week or so before her interview if that counts as life threatening. Fortunately for asylum seekers their life isn't in danger waiting here in the US for their application to be approved.

Ah I thought you were suggesting they wait at home like your wife did. Apologies.

 

13 hours ago, jg121783 said:

Realistically anyone who comes to the US from Mexico who isn't from Mexico should be applying for asylum in Mexico (or whatever country the go through first). If they fail to apply for asylum in Mexico first they are not entitled to asylum here. Also I see no problem with requiring people applying for asylum to go through an official port of entry.

The Mexico bit - I kind of get that. I mean how did they travel through an entire country without requesting asylum?

 

However - I do wonder how protected they would be in Mexico. Whatever they are fleeing is probably far more likely to reach them in Mexico than the USA. In the asylum process is a country allowed to rule that they don't believe they are safe in their country? I could see a situation where Mexico processes them, but in some cases we cooperate and take them if the threat is such that Mexico is still a danger to them.

 

Thr "proper border" thing I don't get. I realize how many people crossing illegally will claim asylum when it's not true, but I also think realistically most asylum seekerd aren't going to come through proper channels. It's hard enough navigating our immigration process when you are safe, secure and have the resources to do so (money, internet, a lawyer in many cases). The true asylum seekers are going to be scared for their life, with little time to "plan ahead". I wouldn't want to penalize them for not somehow knowing where they were supposed to present themselves. Our border is huge.

[Boiler 43,847]

Difficult to see that the Human Trafficking biz and the NGO's who operate it will be allowed to continue.

[jg121783 3,908]

1 hour ago, bcking said:

However - I do wonder how protected they would be in Mexico. Whatever they are fleeing is probably far more likely to reach them in Mexico than the USA. In the asylum process is a country allowed to rule that they don't believe they are safe in their country? I could see a situation where Mexico processes them, but in some cases we cooperate and take them if the threat is such that Mexico is still a danger to them.

Maybe that is true but there have been cases of people coming here to flee MS13 only to be hunted down and murdered by them here in the US.

[bcking 3,157]

19 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

Maybe that is true but there have been cases of people coming here to flee MS13 only to be hunted down and murdered by them here in the US.

True. Unfortunately people will never be 100% safe, but certainly MS13's reach in the US is less than it is on Mexico.

 

I like the idea of seeking asylum at the very country you enter, but that would quickly overwhelm specific countries around the world due to particular "hotspots" of instability. If a process like that was started, I would expect the US to work with allied countries to "share the load". Like it or not, we have the capacity to help far more than many countries. 

 

I'm all for looking at ways to reduce the "false asylum" seekers, and the actual "illegal immigrants". I just don't see legitimate asylum seekers as illegal immigrants, even if they did cross the border illegally. I think we have a moral responsibility to help those people and we should think very hard about any changes we make and whether that is going to impact those people who legitimately need help due to persecution in their home country. Finding ways for other countries to help "share the load" I'm also all for, as long as we recognize that we are lucky enough that we can provide substantial support for this problem due to our size, our economy, our stability and our strength. We should all feel blessed that we live in a country that is able to help so many other people around the world and bring people in who need help.

Edited June 30, 2018 by bcking