Denial of I-751 while abroad

[yippy_j 17]

You gotta be super unlucky if you're on your vacation trip and get denial on your vacation trip. Plus, why would you stay abroad for a super long time when you're changing your status? I mean 2-3 weeks is okay but i don't know man. I really don't see the point of asking this question, consuming all your energy and figuring it out all the possibilities unless you're in it right now.

[ApplyingforN400 126]

8 minutes ago, yippy_j said:

You gotta be super unlucky if you're on your vacation trip and get denial on your vacation trip. Plus, why would you stay abroad for a super long time when you're changing your status? I mean 2-3 weeks is okay but i don't know man. I really don't see the point of asking this question, consuming all your energy and figuring it out all the possibilities unless you're in it right now.

Believe it or not there are about 7 BILLION different walks of life in this world. 

 

Ill give you small run down of my world that is completely different than yours. 

 

Im from Canada and know wealthy people interested in having their footprint in US business, iam working on getting a large investment to my business here in the US, this will require me months back in Canada. While this requires my 120%  attention and focus to pull off, I sit here with half the energy explaining to CBP officers, USCIS officers and forum members what im doing with my life. 

Edited April 29, 2018 by ApplyingforN400

[Scazy 78]

2 minutes ago, ApplyingforN400 said:

Believe it or not there are about 7 BILLION different walks of life in this world. 

 

Ill give you small run down of my world that is completely different than yours. 

 

Im from Canada and know wealthy people interested in having their footprint in US business, iam working on getting a large investment to my business here in the US, this will require me months back in Canada. While this requires my 120%  attrntion and focus to pull off, I sit here with half the energy explaining to CBP officers, USCIS officers and forum members what im doing with my life. 

Actually I'm totally getting your anxiety and where you coming from in this thread. I believe you are a December filler so as myself, and just like you ( this I assume) I'm planning international travel for 2 weeks in a matter of a few days. They working on November now so I believe it's still a month away of wait to do before we even can talk approval/rfe/interviews but this wait sometimes drives me nuts and I start overthinking things. My NOA December 10. You think it's ok time to travel or it's better to cancel it all and sit tight for a reasons like you stated at your original post? 

[ApplyingforN400 126]

Immigration to the US are very rough years for a Canadian who wants to be with their spouse. 

 

Canada is not a country that most are just happy to pack and leave forever, matter of fact, besides the relationships with wealthy people, there is a lot more I have there, that once citizenship is done for us I would have to rebuild and properly connect back to my life in US. 

 

This whole, dont leave a country for more than 6 months, deny this deny that is very weird for Some. 

[ApplyingforN400 126]

7 minutes ago, Scazy said:

Actually I'm totally getting your anxiety and where you coming from in this thread. I believe you are a December filler so as myself, and just like you ( this I assume) I'm planning international travel for 2 weeks in a matter of a few days. They working on November now so I believe it's still a month away of wait to do before we even can talk approval/rfe/interviews but this wait sometimes drives me nuts and I start overthinking things. My NOA December 10. You think it's ok time to travel or it's better to cancel it all and sit tight for a reasons like you stated at your original post? 

For me I cant cancel it. Business and personal matters are already scheduled. And I would have to be gone between 1-4 months, even then the time of 4 months is only there because of this process. 

 

When trying to secure an investment in the 7 figures to secure your business for life, you don't want to worry about few months here few months there but here we are such is life. 

[Sukie 1,440]

7 minutes ago, Scazy said:

Actually I'm totally getting your anxiety and where you coming from in this thread. I believe you are a December filler so as myself, and just like you ( this I assume) I'm planning international travel for 2 weeks in a matter of a few days. They working on November now so I believe it's still a month away of wait to do before we even can talk approval/rfe/interviews but this wait sometimes drives me nuts and I start overthinking things. My NOA December 10. You think it's ok time to travel or it's better to cancel it all and sit tight for a reasons like you stated at your original post? 

If your I-751 is denied, it is because you did not have an on-time, complete package to start with, or, you did not reply in time if you had an RFE.

 

A complete package (I know, who defines "complete"???) will have enough data for an officer to conclude that a marriage is bona fide.

 

If you are missing a key document, you get an RFE (if the mail actually delivers it to you).

 

If you have scanty information about co-mingling of funds, living together, or any other major holes in your documentation, then yes, you risk having an officer conclude that the marriage might be fraudulent and deny the I-751 WITHOUT an RFE or an interview.  Unfortunately, some people from some countries get more scrutiny than others. 

 

Just so you know, getting citizenship in Australia is much harder when it comes to physical residency...

 

Sukie in NY

 

 

[ApplyingforN400 126]

5 minutes ago, Sukie said:

If your I-751 is denied, it is because you did not have an on-time, complete package to start with, or, you did not reply in time if you had an RFE.

 

A complete package (I know, who defines "complete"???) will have enough data for an officer to conclude that a marriage is bona fide.

 

If you are missing a key document, you get an RFE (if the mail actually delivers it to you).

 

If you have scanty information about co-mingling of funds, living together, or any other major holes in your documentation, then yes, you risk having an officer conclude that the marriage might be fraudulent and deny the I-751 WITHOUT an RFE or an interview.  Unfortunately, some people from some countries get more scrutiny than others. 

 

Just so you know, getting citizenship in Australia is much harder when it comes to physical residency...

 

Sukie in NY

 

 

 I believe it. And just so we are clear, Im fully with the system, vetting etc. What im not fully with is the the process not running smooth and having grey areas that  can extremely affect people’s lives. 

 

Consuming years out of peoples lives as a “processing delay” is not something im with. I feel its def taking advantage of the least spoken population, thats very fearful of speaking up, while most Americans would go nuts if their starbucks coffee is delayed or wrong. (This is where Americans and even some immigrants will tell me you dont like it, leave haha, to answer that its not just like I actually love my wife

[Roel 7,191]

Try looking at it this way: What's more important to you? Making sure your immigration status in US is alright or your job, investments, etc?  I understand those are both important, but sometimes you gotta pick your priorities.

 

Unless you messed up your paperwork really bad, your RoC won't be denied. If you're worried about it, just update your address. Or sign up for email notifications on those status tracking websites. If you're REALLY worried about it, stay in the country. Or change the address to someone from your family who lives in the US (in case you're afraid the mail won't reach you abroad.)

 

Also, haha, processing delays? Imagine that you're not the only one doing RoC right now - the process is delayed because you have thousands and thousands of people on the same boat with you. And each case has to be reviewed. There is nothing anyone can do about it, so not sure why would you even compare it to delayed Starbucks coffee, lol.

 

 

[mindthegap 2,543]

2 hours ago, Sukie said:

A denial notice triggers immediate removal proceedings, meaning that your name/passport is flagged as being in removal.  You ARE allowed a court date, but you must BE IN THE USA already.  If you are overseas, and try to come into the US, you will be denied entry.   There is a space of about 30 days between denial and a court hearing. 

 

Wrong on all counts.

As you know, I have some experience in the area of denial... 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 29, 2018 by mindthegap

[ApplyingforN400 126]

1 minute ago, Roel said:

Try looking at it this way: What's more important to you? Making sure your immigration status in US is alright or your job, investments, etc?  I understand those are both important, but sometimes you gotta pick your priorities.

 

Unless you messed up your paperwork really bad, your RoC won't be denied. If you're worried about it, just update your address. Or sign up for email notifications on those status tracking websites. If you're REALLY worried about it, stay in the country. Or change the address to someone from your family who lives in the US (in case you're afraid the mail won't reach you abroad.)

 

Also, haha, processing delays? Imagine that you're not the only one doing RoC right now - the process is delayed because you have thousands and thousands of people on the same boat with you. And each case has to be reviewed. There is nothing anyone can do about it, so not sure why would you even compare it to delayed Starbucks coffee, lol.

 

 

I would like us to stay on topic of what happens if denied outside the country. 

 

Because outside of that we are just ranting using our view of life etc. 

 

to you it seems like “there is nothing someone can do about it” to me seems like “I gave you $600 you can def have someone look at it within a week of the FBI clearance coming through,  thousands on thousands? Thats $600Ks on $600Ks, the money is there”. 

 

We are not talking about a month delay, we are talking about a whole service center going dark for a whole YEAR and we are not considered humans enough for a memo or a press briefing? Yes its very comparable to starbucks because if the IRS were to just go dark on peoples tax returns for a year, there is not ONE american who will say “there is nothing that can be done about it”. It will be all over the news, with people getting fired, elected officials being asked to resigned or promised to never be voted in again. We dont have to kid ourselves that immigrants are seen as second class citizens, atleast seen as childern who can only be defended by others. 

3 minutes ago, mindthegap said:

 

Wrong on all counts.

As you know, I have some experience in the area of denial... 

 

 

 

 

 

Tell us about your experience if you dont mind. 

[Sukie 1,440]

3 minutes ago, mindthegap said:

 

Wrong on all counts.

As you know, I have some experience in the area of denial... 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, Mindthegap, your case was so beaten up from the very beginning.  But you weren't out of the country when you got your denial, were you?

 

Sukie in NY

[Roel 7,191]

10 minutes ago, ApplyingforN400 said:

 

to you it seems like “there is nothing someone can do about it” to me seems like “I gave you $600 you can def have someone look at it within a week of the FBI clearance coming through,  thousands on thousands? Thats $600Ks on $600Ks, the money is there”. 

And? There are people in the waiting line in front of you. Your 600$ doesn't matter, since everyone else also paid it. No one will look at your case within a week or so, since there are other cases which were filed before yours.

 

10 minutes ago, ApplyingforN400 said:

 

We are not talking about a month delay, we are talking about a whole service center going dark for a whole YEAR and we are not considered humans enough for a memo or a press briefing?

They didn't go dark. They are working on other cases....  They didn't just randomly shut down. What would you expect them to do? They actually posted memos regarding processing delays, as I recall.

 

10 minutes ago, ApplyingforN400 said:

 It will be all over the news, with people getting fired,

They are doing their jobs. They won't be fired.

 

10 minutes ago, ApplyingforN400 said:

 

We dont have to kid ourselves that immigrants are seen as second class citizens, atleast seen as childern who can only be defended by others. 

I don't even know how to respond to that. Sorry dude, you just have this entitled attitude and you act like you deserve your case to be a priority for some reason. You really need to accept the fact the USCIS is doing their best, but you're not the only one on their mind. 

 

10 minutes ago, ApplyingforN400 said:

Tell us about your experience if you dont mind. 

Sure! I filed my RoC last July, still waiting, not making a big deal out of it.

 

But back to the topic - like I said before, unless you SERIOUSLY messed up the application your case won't be denied. Change the address on the USCIS website or regularly track the case online so you don't miss the RFE. If you get denied outside of the country, then I guess you'll have to go to the immigration court and defend your case.

[Scazy 78]

3 hours ago, mindthegap said:

 

Wrong on all counts.

As you know, I have some experience in the area of denial... 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi, mindthegap! Based on an actual experience, how exactly denial works? What comes first: RFE? Interview? Notice of intent do deny? Or maybe straight up a denial letter? In that case, what happens if a person out if the country?  Would love to hear your input. 

 

 

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Guys, let's not turn an interesting thread into out of topic philosophy, I know it's very draining to stay in limbo but oh well it's going to be our turn one day! Let's just figure out how to make this process less painful and secure for a time being. 

[Ryan H 3,796]

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Edited April 29, 2018 by Ryan H