So-Called Fact Checkers Keep Butchering The Facts About Obamacare

[Ban Hammer 14,271]

“Fact checking” has evolved from an occasionally useful medium to an exercise in revisionism and diversion. Take The Washington Post writer Glenn Kessler’s recent article titled “President Trump’s mangled ‘facts’ about Obamacare.” Headline readers might assume it’s just Trump doing what Trump does most of the time. I almost passed myself. Yet it turns out that all these supposedly “mangled” contentions about Obamacare are, at the very least, debatable assertions.

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Kessler, for example, doesn’t approve of this Donald Trump statement: “Americans were told that premiums would go down by $2,500 per year. And instead, their premiums went up to levels that nobody thought even possible.” Other than the hyperbole (“nobody thought even possible”), this statement is substantively true.

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Kessler’s ostensive debunking of the “premiums are soaring” claim is really just a confirmation that premiums have indeed risen, augmented by an argument that it wasn’t Obamacare’s fault. Kessler blames the vagaries of modern life and demographics—because these things apparently didn’t exist when Democrats were making their big unrealistic promises in 2009.

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Kessler contends that when the former president promised Americans that their insurance premiums would drop by $2,500 for an average family, what he really meant was premiums would be $2,500 less than the anticipated rise

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The promise of lower premiums, coupled with the lie that you could keep your insurance if you liked it, were the central political selling points of ACA to the middle class. They were the only aspects of the law that would have benefited those who already had health insurance.

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Obama was given two Pinocchios for making a patently false “pledge” on premiums,” and Trump was given three for pointing it out. (Update: this mark was given by Kessler’s predecessor, Michael Dobbs. So it is unfair to make the comparison.)

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you’d think someone would have written a comprehensive factcheck of the Democrats’ lie that 26 million people will “lose” their health insurance due to repeal bills. Six Pinocchios! Who knows? Maybe factcheckers will get around to pointing out that 16 million of the 24 million people Democrats claim will have their coverage snatched away are people who will choose not to buy it in the absence of a penalty. No doubt, factcheckers will point out that around six million or more of those 24 million who will supposedly have their coverage “taken” from them are people the CBO just assumes would have left Obamacare markets anyway. You know, baselines and all.

 

http://thefederalist.com/2017/07/25/called-fact-checkers-keep-butchering-facts-obamacare/

 

 

 

 

 

[IAMX 3,055]

The left have butchered the word "fact", and due to their difficulties with reality have played a significant role in ushering in the post-fact era they complain about.

[Dashinka 25,853]

Didn't Gruber already reveal all the snazzy politics and rhetoric they came up with to sell Obamacare?

[Póg mo 1,749]

4 hours ago, Ban Hammer said:

“Fact checking” has evolved from an occasionally useful medium to an exercise in revisionism and diversion. Take The Washington Post writer Glenn Kessler’s recent article titled “President Trump’s mangled ‘facts’ about Obamacare.” Headline readers might assume it’s just Trump doing what Trump does most of the time. I almost passed myself. Yet it turns out that all these supposedly “mangled” contentions about Obamacare are, at the very least, debatable assertions.

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Kessler, for example, doesn’t approve of this Donald Trump statement: “Americans were told that premiums would go down by $2,500 per year. And instead, their premiums went up to levels that nobody thought even possible.” Other than the hyperbole (“nobody thought even possible”), this statement is substantively true.

....................................

Kessler’s ostensive debunking of the “premiums are soaring” claim is really just a confirmation that premiums have indeed risen, augmented by an argument that it wasn’t Obamacare’s fault. Kessler blames the vagaries of modern life and demographics—because these things apparently didn’t exist when Democrats were making their big unrealistic promises in 2009.

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Kessler contends that when the former president promised Americans that their insurance premiums would drop by $2,500 for an average family, what he really meant was premiums would be $2,500 less than the anticipated rise

....................................

The promise of lower premiums, coupled with the lie that you could keep your insurance if you liked it, were the central political selling points of ACA to the middle class. They were the only aspects of the law that would have benefited those who already had health insurance.

....................................

Obama was given two Pinocchios for making a patently false “pledge” on premiums,” and Trump was given three for pointing it out. (Update: this mark was given by Kessler’s predecessor, Michael Dobbs. So it is unfair to make the comparison.)

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you’d think someone would have written a comprehensive factcheck of the Democrats’ lie that 26 million people will “lose” their health insurance due to repeal bills. Six Pinocchios! Who knows? Maybe factcheckers will get around to pointing out that 16 million of the 24 million people Democrats claim will have their coverage snatched away are people who will choose not to buy it in the absence of a penalty. No doubt, factcheckers will point out that around six million or more of those 24 million who will supposedly have their coverage “taken” from them are people the CBO just assumes would have left Obamacare markets anyway. You know, baselines and all.

 

http://thefederalist.com/2017/07/25/called-fact-checkers-keep-butchering-facts-obamacare/

 

 

 

 

 

Trump is telling the truth, but the all powerful liberal corporate media is twisting reality, to make it look like the complete opposite. Thanks for setting us, here on VJ, straight. 

 

 

[IAMX 3,055]

2 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

Trump is telling the truth

Said no one.

 

+1 for arguing imaginary things.

[Dashinka 25,853]

11 hours ago, IAMX said:

Said no one.

 

+1 for arguing imaginary things.

The MDL is famous for making up their own narratives and arguments.

 

[IAMX 3,055]

2 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

The MDL is famous for making up their own narratives and arguments.

 

And how ironic.. the fact checkers they use do as well! 

 

Skydiving head first into the post-fact era.

[OriZ 3,165]

On 7/26/2017 at 7:20 PM, IAMX said:

Said no one.

 

+1 for arguing imaginary things.

[Póg mo 1,749]

On 7/27/2017 at 6:03 AM, Bill & Katya said:

The MDL is famous for making up their own narratives and arguments.

 

Seriously, it's almost like conservatives take every single criticism directed at them, and then just throw it straight back, without a moment's thought. Teenagers do pretty much the same thing. Deflection seems to be all they have. 

[Dashinka 25,853]

1 hour ago, Póg mo said:

Seriously, it's almost like conservatives take every single criticism directed at them, and then just throw it straight back, without a moment's thought. Teenagers do pretty much the same thing. Deflection seems to be all they have. 

It is the only way to debate the MDL.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

4 hours ago, Póg mo said:

Seriously, it's almost like conservatives take every single criticism directed at them, and then just throw it straight back, without a moment's thought. Teenagers do pretty much the same thing. Deflection seems to be all they have. 

Well the Left and the MM have done the same dang things really if not worse. It's like someone spreading gossip in middle of high school about someone by using "I heard so and so did this" without any proof. Then when confronted about and their sources they say that have "Anonymous Sources" so then they don't reveal their sources.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Who cares about Obamacare? Where is the fantastic health care that Trump promised? 

[IAMX 3,055]

1 hour ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Well the Left and the MM have done the same dang things really if not worse. It's like someone spreading gossip in middle of high school about someone by using "I heard so and so did this" without any proof. Then when confronted about and their sources they say that have "Anonymous Sources" so then they don't reveal their sources.

That's the idea.. 

 

Skirt libel laws, destroy Trump independent and moderate image that got him elected. 

 

Better to ask for forgiveness than permission. 

 

Very dangerous game though. 

[CaliCat 3,957]

2 hours ago, spookyturtle said:

Who cares about Obamacare? Where is the fantastic health care that Trump promised?