Canadian baby 'first without gender designation' on health card

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An eight-month old Canadian baby has been issued a health card without a gender marker, in what could be the first case in the world.

Parent Kori Doty - a non-binary transgender person who identifies as neither male nor female - aims to allow the child to discover their own gender.

The health card has been issued with a "U" in the space for "sex", which could be for "undetermined" or "unassigned".

Kori Doty is fighting to omit the gender from the birth certificate.

The parent gave birth to Searyl Atli in November at a friend's home in British Columbia. Kori Doty, who prefers to use the pronoun they, argues that a visual inspection at birth is unable to determine what gender that person will have or identify with later in life.

They want to keep Searyl's sex off all official records.

"I'm raising Searyl in in such a way that until they have the sense of self and command of vocabulary to tell me who they are, I'm recognising them as a baby and trying to give them all the love and support to be the most whole person that they can be outside of the restrictions that come with the boy box and the girl box," the parent was quoted by CBC as saying.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40480386

 

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1 hour ago, Boiler said:

An eight-month old Canadian baby has been issued a health card without a gender marker, in what could be the first case in the world.

Parent Kori Doty - a non-binary transgender person who identifies as neither male nor female - aims to allow the child to discover their own gender.

The health card has been issued with a "U" in the space for "sex", which could be for "undetermined" or "unassigned".

Kori Doty is fighting to omit the gender from the birth certificate.

The parent gave birth to Searyl Atli in November at a friend's home in British Columbia. Kori Doty, who prefers to use the pronoun they, argues that a visual inspection at birth is unable to determine what gender that person will have or identify with later in life.

They want to keep Searyl's sex off all official records.

"I'm raising Searyl in in such a way that until they have the sense of self and command of vocabulary to tell me who they are, I'm recognising them as a baby and trying to give them all the love and support to be the most whole person that they can be outside of the restrictions that come with the boy box and the girl box," the parent was quoted by CBC as saying.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40480386

 

Oh dear god Mary mother of Jesus. That's just plain dumb as a bale of hay. It either has one or it doesn't 

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a visual inspection at birth is unable to determine what gender that person will have or identify with later in life.

Goodbye science.

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46 minutes ago, IAMX said:

 

Goodbye science.

In what way is it goodbye science?

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I loved this part.

 

The family's lawyer, barbara findlay, who chooses to spell her name withoutcapital letters, told Global News:

 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I loved this part.

 

The family's lawyer, barbara findlay, who chooses to spell her name withoutcapital letters, told Global News:

 

 

 

Anything to be different and unique without actually accomplishing anything different and unique. 

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29 minutes ago, IAMX said:

Anything to be different and unique without actually accomplishing anything different and unique. 

You hit the nail on the head. Generation of participation trophies 

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52 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

Many scenes on Demolition Man come to mind.

 

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On June 6, 1944, men mostly in their late teens and early 20’s stormed the beaches of Normandy, They came in landing crafts. As soon as those landing ramps were dropped, they were strafed with enemy machine gun fire. Many never made it ashore, drowning in the frigid water, their packs and gear weighing almost as much as they did. Those who did make it off the boats slogged to shore in heavy seas, already turning red from the blood of their comrades in arms. Once ashore, many men were separated from their companies. They regrouped with whoever they could, cleared the obstacles on the beach, and begin to climb the cliffs, all the while still under heavy machine gun and artillery fire from the Germans. Those who made it to the top, managed to clear out the machine gun nests so that others could come ashore and help with the invasion. If you aren't familiar with this story, it an extremely cleaned up version of “D-Day”, the Allied invasion of France. It was way more gruesome than i have typed here. There were over 4400 confirmed Allied soldiers killed that day by the enemy. Because of the efforts of those brave young men, the Allies were able to help secure France's freedom from German rule.

Roll forward to just last year when men and women of that same age group became extremely upset over Trump's name being scrawled in chalk on the sidewalk.

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I particularly like that "they" have chosen to use a plural pronoun to refer to "themselves"

 

Do "they" actually think "they" are more than one consciousness? Otherwise it is rather strange. I guess "it" would be better.

 

On 7/4/2017 at 11:03 AM, Boiler said:

"a visual inspection at birth is unable to determine what gender that person will have or identify with later in life."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40480386

 

While that may be true given today's pretty much established terminology (Gender no longer equals sex), we can still make a "sex assignment" at birth and it is reasonable to put that sex assignment on the birth certificate. Other than in very infrequent cases the physical sex assignment fits with the chromosomal sex assignment. 

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16 minutes ago, bcking said:

I particularly like that "they" have chosen to use a plural pronoun to refer to "themselves"

 

Do "they" actually think "they" are more than one consciousness? Otherwise it is rather strange. I guess "it" would be better.

 

While that may be true given today's pretty much established terminology (Gender no longer equals sex), we can still make a "sex assignment" at birth and it is reasonable to put that sex assignment on the birth certificate. Other than in very infrequent cases the physical sex assignment fits with the chromosomal sex assignment. 

 

 

I think the question here is why? Why is it reasonable to put sex assignment on a birth certificate, if that really means nothing? What difference does it make? There used to be a checkbox for "race" in some birth certificates, and there was a time when that was relevant. Isn't gender in the same class of categories that serve no purpose?

 

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17 minutes ago, bcking said:

I particularly like that "they" have chosen to use a plural pronoun to refer to "themselves"

 

Do "they" actually think "they" are more than one consciousness? Otherwise it is rather strange. I guess "it" would be better.

 

While that may be true given today's pretty much established terminology (Gender no longer equals sex), we can still make a "sex assignment" at birth and it is reasonable to put that sex assignment on the birth certificate. Other than in very infrequent cases the physical sex assignment fits with the chromosomal sex assignment. 

This is what I don't understand.  I thought the boxes on the birth certificate were for genetic sex assignment (which can usually be determined visually) and not gender assignment?  Of course in the rare event that this cannot be determined visually, then I can understand using the "U" since genetic testing may be necessary.