Cousin and his wife VISA got denied, what to do next?

[Valor 131]

Well nothing is going to change in this sort of time, what is their back up plan.

Their backup plan is going to Euro to have their honey moon instead. We're just not sure if it's worthy to give it another try.

[Valor 131]

tbone1991 - I'm not certain why folks are getting worked up to call your cousin "stupid" and/or implying that they are "desperate".

If your cousin were to apply again, I suggest, including any tax filing documentation (proof that they indeed have the income which their paystubs say, birth-certificate etc. if they have kids, documentation if they care for their parents (paying any medical bills etc.), evidence of family vacations in China, evidence of any local charity work they perform, any local religious institution they are affiliated to (like temple, monastery etc.), have they taken any foreign trips for work or personal reason...include evidence as such.....think of ways that they can provide close ties with their native country. If they are engineers or professionals etc, are they members or charter holders of ASME, IIA, CFA etc. (you can google these). These are not related to tourist visas directly, but they do show that being member of certain organizations that you uphold certain ethics (and can speculate that you are indeed a tourist and not scamming the system).

Also, I suggest, correct the application, because cousin is not a close relative. However, tourist visa is a matter of chance. Good luck.

Thank you very much for your advices. They do not have any kids yet. I believe the only country they've travelled to was Thailand. Most of the things you descried don't really fit them, but I really appreciated tho. This is also why we're kind of stuck at this point and don't know what else we could provide if we decide to do it again.

But in this case the agent was correct in that they shouldn't have listed the cousin as a relative on the visa form.

So should they not put my name there at all? Or should they just change it from "Relative" to "Other" and then specify as cousin?

[Boiler 47,685]

Their backup plan is going to Euro to have their honey moon instead. We're just not sure if it's worthy to give it another try.

That sounds nice, and would probably help in any future application.

[Teddy B 17,252]

So should they not put my name there at all? Or should they just change it from "Relative" to "Other" and then specify as cousin?

Your answer is in the last sentence of post #7 in bold below.

travel agents who also provide 'visa advice' are useless.....and dangerous to applicants....a travel agent has no inside knowledge of the visa process, no 'connections' within an embassy...anyone stupid enough to follow a travel agent's advice should not be surprised when their applications are denied. These clowns offer advice that is just plain idiotic and false....they think they know, but in reality, they do not. The DS 160 asks about first degree relatives.....parents, siblings, spouses or fiancées....not cousins....

[almost_umrican 54]

Hi All,

My cousin and his wife were planning to come to the U.S. for their honey moon. However, they just got denied earlier today. Both of them are from China and legally married their. They provided their income statements, employment statements, my cousin's house property certificate, car title. I'm currently here on F1 VISA and also adjusting my status. The agent told them they should have not told them that they had relative here. I just felt like they should be honest on everything so I asked them to do so. They are planning to come to visit in May/June, is there anything we can do now? Much appreciated on your feedbacks.

Let me tell you something about this B1/B2. there is no such thing like a good case or bad case when it comes to this visa category. B1/B2 is a pure fluke if one gets it especially when the applicants are from a high fraud country.which in you cousin's case is a fact (i come from a high fraud county too btw). i can give you several examples when applicants with so called excellent B2 cases got denied and people with frivolous papers managed to get B2. one can spend hours and hours on this.it is on a IO's discretion or its all about clicking at that point of time. Applicants from prosperous countries (if tourist visa is not waived) and have to apply for it gets it so easily. call it discriminatory but how can one prove that ? you can't appeal the IO decision in this category but can apply infinite times. once you get denied a couple of times or thrice. they will not change the decison by challenging the judgement of the IO who previously denied visa on a different occasion. Last but not the least, applicants from high fraud countries are very well aware of what does the local US embassy expects from them(case vise) and how will they go about it. these are my personal views and views from others can differ.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Let me tell you something about this B1/B2. there is no such thing like a good case or bad case when it comes to this visa category. B1/B2 is a pure fluke if one gets it especially when the applicants are from a high fraud country.which in you cousin's case is a fact (i come from a high fraud county too btw). i can give you several examples when applicants with so called excellent B2 cases got denied and people with frivolous papers managed to get B2. one can spend hours and hours on this.it is on a IO's discretion or its all about clicking at that point of time. Applicants from prosperous countries (if tourist visa is not waived) and have to apply for it gets it so easily. call it discriminatory but how can one prove that ? you can't appeal the IO decision in this category but can apply infinite times. once you get denied a couple of times or thrice. they will not change the decison by challenging the judgement of the IO who previously denied visa on a different occasion. Last but not the least, applicants from high fraud countries are very well aware of what does the local US embassy expects from them(case vise) and how will they go about it. these are my personal views and views from others can differ.

The process is definitely discriminatory and they make no attempt to hide that. When it comes to immigration, people are guilty until proven innocent, not the other way around. The first and foremost reason why the process is like this is to protect the US and it's citizens from criminal activity.

Edited March 24, 2016 by Teddy B

[Boiler 47,685]

Just going by the many many threads on VJ if anything the Consulates seems to be overly generous in issuing B Visa's.

[Cathi 5,863]

If nothing has changed to show stronger ties there really is no use in trying again at this point, it would be the same end result. I think their back up plan to travel to EU is a good idea. It will show that they have traveled successfully internationally and returned home, a good thing for a future CO to see when considering a visitor visa to the US.

[HFM181818 750]

"Last but not the least, applicants from high fraud countries are very well aware of what does the local US embassy expects from them(case vise) and how will they go about it. these are my personal views and views from others can differ. :joy:" --- sorry, but applicants (and travel agents and 'visa consultants') think they know how to get a B2 visa, but in reality, they do not....they hear stories, but like a story started at one end of a room, it sounds different by the time it goes around said room....lots of folks from developing countries will try anything to get the B2 visa, and I mean anything....but no one outside the embassy walls really knows the foolproof way to get a tourist visa....because there is no specific way one can convince a CO of their bona fides....papers are mostly window dressing; invite letters are meaningless, bank statements and job letters are for sale around the corner from our embassies,....and congressmen cannot order COs to issue a visa (nor overturn a denial)...so those who believe that 'knowing' the right person will help are also kidding themselves....I've seen incredible efforts made to convince me or a colleague that the applicant has all the reasons in the world to return....using the above essentially useless items....my general rule? The more papers you bring me, the worse (statistically) your case is.

And I repeat....anyone who believes some travel agent (or worse, pays that agent for their 'visa advice') has the inside track to obtaining a visa does not understand the process at all and will be throwing their hard earned money away or compromising their current credibility (whatever it may be) by following said advice...in some cases, I've seen a parade of applicants who all had the same story and same jobs! Amazing!

Remember, the only person who needs to be fooled by a travel agent or visa consultant/fixer is the person buying the advice and/or fake papers!

[Unidentified 2,930]

They should just have their honeymoon in Europe instead. There's no point in trying to apply for another visa, it will just show their desperate to come to the US. Europe is nice in the summer, can't go wrong with any of the countries.

[aayitrun 66]

The process is definitely discriminatory and they make no attempt to hide that. When it comes to immigration, people are guilty until proven innocent, not the other way around. The first and foremost reason why the process is like this is to protect the US and it's citizens from criminal activity.

i have to disagree.

discriminatory how? discrimination involves treating a group of people unfairly and under the general case, the rules arent unfair. particular officers may engage in some, but the rules arent.

guilty of what crime? that phrase seems off because non immigrant visa applicants claim that they have no intent to immigrate and they have to prove that. it is completely normal for a third world country citizen to want to move to the first world and the process asks for proof that you are not going to come here and live off social benefits.

there is no crime, guilt or innocence here.

protect from criminal activity? most immigrants legal or otherwise engage in far less criminal behavior that citizens. the system is this way to prevent abuse of social benefits and nothing to do with criminal activity.

[Unidentified 2,930]

i have to disagree.

discriminatory how? discrimination involves treating a group of people unfairly and under the general case, the rules arent unfair. particular officers may engage in some, but the rules arent.

guilty of what crime? that phrase seems off because non immigrant visa applicants claim that they have no intent to immigrate and they have to prove that. it is completely normal for a third world country citizen to want to move to the first world and the process asks for proof that you are not going to come here and live off social benefits.

there is no crime, guilt or innocence here.

protect from criminal activity? most immigrants legal or otherwise engage in far less criminal behavior that citizens. the system is this way to prevent abuse of social benefits and nothing to do with criminal activity.

No one is saying that immigrants are more likely to be criminals. But with all the terrorism going on in the world the US (and other countries) need to be careful with who they are welcoming in.

[calvm 10]

They are definitely NOT desperately want to come here. I just thought it would be nice for them to have there honey moon here in the States. The ONLY reason why I was thinking about changing the information was purely because they did it incorrectly last time. According to what you said, cousin does not count as relative. It has nothing to do with trying to change their circumstances at all.

There is no point in changing any prior information - Since that will continue to reside for the evaluate again. Best recourse is to skip for now and travel after a significantly later time when any stronger proof of ties can be shared on visa application. (e.g. Job with significantly large paycheck etc.)

[Joshua@Tinz 52]

It must have been weak evidence or something strange, I know quite a few people from my years in china who easily get 10 year visas to the USA all the time, even single women. It is not too difficult at the moment for mainlanders to come to the US, Did they apply in GZ or Shanghai? I have heard GZ is easier but I cannot personally vouch for that, just hearsay

Edit; because I cant remember what type of Visa they have, 10 year may be business

Edited March 24, 2016 by Joshua@Tinz

[Andrea&Henry 311]

Hi!

I know how your cousin feels because back in 2006 I got my tourist visa denied and honestly never ever tried again until 5 years later when I met my husband and we applied for my k1.

I'm not saying by any means that if you get denied you will always be denied but once you have been denied is very unlikely your cousin and wife will get a visa.

You are saying he is planning to come visit in may which is less than 2 months away so that means reapplying in a months? Honestly that will look desperated! Plus I dont know if that changed but I remember the CO telling me I needed to wait at least 6 months to reapply.

So if that's the case I dont think they can reapply so soon. The best advice: go to europe instead