Cousin and his wife VISA got denied, what to do next?

[MacUK 983]

i have to disagree.

discriminatory how? discrimination involves treating a group of people unfairly and under the general case, the rules arent unfair. particular officers may engage in some, but the rules arent.

guilty of what crime? that phrase seems off because non immigrant visa applicants claim that they have no intent to immigrate and they have to prove that. it is completely normal for a third world country citizen to want to move to the first world and the process asks for proof that you are not going to come here and live off social benefits.

there is no crime, guilt or innocence here.

protect from criminal activity? most immigrants legal or otherwise engage in far less criminal behavior that citizens. the system is this way to prevent abuse of social benefits and nothing to do with criminal activity.

Guilty as in by law all applicants are presumed to be guilty of attempting to illegally emigrate to the US until they prove that they won't.

Not guilty of having actually committed a crime, guilty of being considered as a future illegal immigrant.

[Valor 131]

If nothing has changed to show stronger ties there really is no use in trying again at this point, it would be the same end result. I think their back up plan to travel to EU is a good idea. It will show that they have traveled successfully internationally and returned home, a good thing for a future CO to see when considering a visitor visa to the US.

Thank you very much for your advices, I think we'll take your suggestions.

[Valor 131]

They should just have their honeymoon in Europe instead. There's no point in trying to apply for another visa, it will just show their desperate to come to the US. Europe is nice in the summer, can't go wrong with any of the countries.

Good point. I agree with you. They aren't really sold to have their honey moon in the U.S. Doesn't worth to give it another try in such a short amount of time.

[Valor 131]

It must have been weak evidence or something strange, I know quite a few people from my years in china who easily get 10 year visas to the USA all the time, even single women. It is not too difficult at the moment for mainlanders to come to the US, Did they apply in GZ or Shanghai? I have heard GZ is easier but I cannot personally vouch for that, just hearsay

Edit; because I cant remember what type of Visa they have, 10 year may be business

They actually applied it from Chengdu. It is kind of strange. I had ten friends went here on B2 VISA two years ago, some of them were single/divorced, and they all got their VISA. I guess my cousin didn't have a very high salary to show, that's probably why.

[Teddy B 17,251]

i have to disagree.

discriminatory how? discrimination involves treating a group of people unfairly and under the general case, the rules arent unfair. particular officers may engage in some, but the rules arent.

guilty of what crime? that phrase seems off because non immigrant visa applicants claim that they have no intent to immigrate and they have to prove that. it is completely normal for a third world country citizen to want to move to the first world and the process asks for proof that you are not going to come here and live off social benefits.

there is no crime, guilt or innocence here.

protect from criminal activity? most immigrants legal or otherwise engage in far less criminal behavior that citizens. the system is this way to prevent abuse of social benefits and nothing to do with criminal activity.

The definitiion of the word "discrimination" does not require that the type of discrimination be unfair. It simple terms discrimination means "different treatment". That treatment could be good or bad, it doesn't matter which one. I'm sure many people feel the process is unfair, but it doesn't matter because they do not have a right to be in the US. The only people who reserve that right are US citizens.

Full Definition of discrimination

1. 1 a : the act of discriminating b : the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently

2. 2 : the quality or power of finely distinguishing

3. 3 a : the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually b : prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discrimination

I didn't say they were guilty of a crime. What I meant was that US immigration officials approach the process as if the intending immigrant or visa applicant will break the law and stay in the US illegally. It is up to each applicant to prove otherwise. ie: "guilty until proven innocent". The process is purposely set up this way.

As for abusing social benefits, that IS criminal activity.

Edited March 25, 2016 by Teddy B

[almost_umrican 53]

The process is definitely discriminatory and they make no attempt to hide that. When it comes to immigration, people are guilty until proven innocent, not the other way around. The first and foremost reason why the process is like this is to protect the US and it's citizens from criminal activity.

i agree Teddy

[almost_umrican 53]

They should just have their honeymoon in Europe instead. There's no point in trying to apply for another visa, it will just show their desperate to come to the US. Europe is nice in the summer, can't go wrong with any of the countries.

Sorry to say this but Europe is a getting ghettoized at alarming rates

[Unidentified 2,930]

Sorry to say this but Europe is a getting ghettoized at alarming rates

I'm still in denial about that

[MacUK 983]

Sorry to say this but Europe is a getting ghettoized at alarming rates

Really?

I must be lucky and miss all these ghettos when I've travelled around UK and Europe

[almost_umrican 53]

Really?

I must be lucky and miss all these ghettos when I've travelled around UK and Europe

i am sure you did. try glasgow, birmingham, or ville de paris monsieur

[squareleg 69]

Ghettoized - we can say the same about America (with illegal immigration and growing low-income neighbourhoods (not all low income I clarify)). However, now states grant drivers licenses to illegals (who are already utilizing benefits on account of tax-payer through free schools, hospitals etc.). Well, currently our government doesn't apply the laws currently in the books to the fullest extent to curb this and so this ghettoization continues. Well, first I strongly suggest, you work towards halting the growth of ghettos in the US of A.

If you browse through various threads, we can see people with drug charges, dicey marriages or people coming in to overstay and getting married etc. most of whom get the visas. Well, I assume once these folks get in, they certainly work towards pushing the growth of ghettos here.

However,using this thread to make a veiled remark about refugees (seeking asylum due to war torn homeland) is utterly in bad taste. I am assuming, you have never lived in war zone and have not fully comprehended the complexity that is unfolding currently.

[Unidentified 2,930]

Lets stay on topic. If you guys want to discuss the refugees there's plenty of threads in the current events part of VJ.

[MacUK 983]

i am sure you did. try glasgow, birmingham, or ville de paris monsieur

I live just outside Glasgow, the only dodgy places to go in Glasgow are if you openly support the wrong football team for that area.

Back on thread, Europe is a vast and beautiful continent. Plenty of places to visit if the US plan can't happen.

[Boiler 43,494]

I used to live in Tower Hamlets.....

Isn't this in you area: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3510338/Customers-pay-tribute-Muslim-shopkeeper-stabbed-death-laughing-fellow-Muslim-thisisnotwhoweare-messages-hundreds-attend-vigil.html

[almost_umrican 53]

Ghettoized - we can say the same about America (with illegal immigration and growing low-income neighbourhoods (not all low income I clarify)). However, now states grant drivers licenses to illegals (who are already utilizing benefits on account of tax-payer through free schools, hospitals etc.). Well, currently our government doesn't apply the laws currently in the books to the fullest extent to curb this and so this ghettoization continues. Well, first I strongly suggest, you work towards halting the growth of ghettos in the US of A.

If you browse through various threads, we can see people with drug charges, dicey marriages or people coming in to overstay and getting married etc. most of whom get the visas. Well, I assume once these folks get in, they certainly work towards pushing the growth of ghettos here.

However,using this thread to make a veiled remark about refugees (seeking asylum due to war torn homeland) is utterly in bad taste. I am assuming, you have never lived in war zone and have not fully comprehended the complexity that is unfolding currently.

I did not say anything about refugees. you are making pre- conceived conclusions and also, it is easy to be politically correct and say populist things. like this other person said. stick to the topic. i am outta here