Maybe the first person to try this but

[Joshua S 0]

i have started my k-1 petition back in october and before my fiance comes i will go to the philippines and come back with her. Now she wants to marry before we come back to U.S.A to marry and although i do see this as a problem since my visa will be approved, i dont know if there is somthing i am missing here?

Can i marry my fiance before comming to the U.S.A, after i already filled my visa in order to marry her in the USA after my Visa has already been approved.

[Hank_ 9,174]

i have started my k-1 petition back in october and before my fiance comes i will go to the philippines and come back with her. Now she wants to marry before we come back to U.S.A to marry and although i do see this as a problem since my visa will be approved, i dont know if there is somthing i am missing here?

Can i marry my fiance before comming to the U.S.A, after i already filled my visa in order to marry her in the USA after my Visa has already been approved.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!

A K-1 visa is a Fiance(e) visa for getting married in the USA. You get married before arriving in the USA kiss the K-1 visa goodbye and be ready to start over for a IR/CR -1 visa. Tell her you CAN NOT marry before arriving in the USA. unless she is ready to wait another 6-8 months to a year before being together in the States.

And no you are not the first to have this VERY bad idea.

Edited April 14, 2012 by Hank_Amy

[mave1104 1]

no... If you will get married before the Fiance visa then you have to start again and file a spouse visa... it will take you longer to get her if both of you will be impatient to wait for the approval of your fiance visa... october filers will be ajudicated this april or may... few more days to wait but if you wanna really get marry now then 5-8 more months to wait...

[Pitaya 2,580]

i have started my k-1 petition back in october and before my fiance comes i will go to the philippines and come back with her. Now she wants to marry before we come back to U.S.A to marry and although i do see this as a problem since my visa will be approved, i dont know if there is somthing i am missing here?

Can i marry my fiance before comming to the U.S.A, after i already filled my visa in order to marry her in the USA after my Visa has already been approved.

Welcome to the forum.

"Not the first and likely not the last....."

If you want to continue the K-1 fiancee process, she will have her interview and physical at the embassy in Manila. If you marry your fiancee before the K-1 visa process is complete, your actions will nullify the K-1 fiancee process. You must then start all over with the IR-1/CR-1 spouse visa process. To do otherwise would constitute immigration fraud, and could result in serious consequences, which may include a lifetime ban for her.

There have been numerous threads on this subject, review recent threads for more information. If I misunderstood your intentions, please elaborate.

Good luck on your visa journey.

[payxibka 10,048]

i have started my k-1 petition back in october and before my fiance comes i will go to the philippines and come back with her. Now she wants to marry before we come back to U.S.A to marry and although i do see this as a problem since my visa will be approved, i dont know if there is somthing i am missing here?

Can i marry my fiance before comming to the U.S.A, after i already filled my visa in order to marry her in the USA after my Visa has already been approved.

I don't knpw why people think they could possibly be the first. There pretty much ain't any situation that has not been asked about or done by someone else many times and many years before.

[Leatherneck 693]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!

A K-1 visa is a Fiance(e) visa for getting married in the USA. You get married before arriving in the USA kiss the K-1 visa goodbye and be ready to start over for a IR/CR -1 visa. Tell her you CAN NOT marry before arriving in the USA. unless she is ready to wait another 6-8 months to a year before being together in the States.

And no you are not the first to have this VERY bad idea.

Immigration fraud is not worth it, nor is there a statue of limitations. What you get away with in 2012, could get your soon to be wife deported in 2, 3, 10 or 20 years from now.

[aws&ndd 103]

A fiance visa is only usable by a fiance!! If you are married then you are no longer a fiance, therefore making your visa invalid. If you really want to marry first you will have to start the visa process over for a spousal visa.

[NigeriaorBust 4,096]

The problem is as information sharing between countries increases the chances of you being discovered goes up. So IF you proceed with your plan, marry there and she enters the US on a fiance visa illegally and you marry and file AOS , get green card , gets citizenship and later they discover that the entry was invalid , EVERYTHING that happens after the entry becomes invalid and she would go from citizen to deportable alien with a lifetime ban. Not the mid life change either of you want.

[Ryan H 3,948]

As I have told others who have floated this idea about, if you get married while the K1 is pending, you go back to the start by filing an I-130. The waiting that will have been done up to that point for the K1 will have been for naught and any fees already paid will not be refunded.

[StraightShooter 62]

...EVERYTHING that happens after the entry becomes invalid and she would go from citizen to deportable alien with a lifetime ban...

Now that's interesting. Are there some links or references that can be provided? Anyone else have some info?

I would think that after being a citizen for a number of years that the odds of actually being deported would diminish, especially after a court fight of some kind.

I'm not advocating that the OP go through with the concept, I'm just interested in the legal technicalities and real world application.

[Ryan H 3,948]

Now that's interesting. Are there some links or references that can be provided? Anyone else have some info?

Excerpt below taken from this page:

18 USC § 1425 - Procurement of citizenship or naturalization unlawfully

(a) Whoever knowingly procures or attempts to procure, contrary to law, the naturalization of any person, or documentary or other evidence of naturalization or of citizenship; or

(b) Whoever, whether for himself or another person not entitled thereto, knowingly issues, procures or obtains or applies for or otherwise attempts to procure or obtain naturalization, or citizenship, or a declaration of intention to become a citizen, or a certificate of arrival or any certificate or evidence of nationalization or citizenship, documentary or otherwise, or duplicates or copies of any of the foregoing—

Source of excerpt below:

8 USC § 1451 - Revocation of naturalization

(e) Citizenship unlawfully procured

When a person shall be convicted under section 1425 of title 18 of knowingly procuring naturalization in violation of law, the court in which such conviction is had shall thereupon revoke, set aside, and declare void the final order admitting such person to citizenship, and shall declare the certificate of naturalization of such person to be canceled. Jurisdiction is conferred on the courts having jurisdiction of the trial of such offense to make such adjudication.

Link to 8 USC § 1227 - Deportable aliens

Edited April 14, 2012 by Ryan H

[Harpa Timsah 13,263]

To add to the above, here is a story of someone who did just that, got caught within a few years and is deported and banned. http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/70350-family-separated-by-immigration-policies/page__st__45__p__943472#entry943472

If a person obtained any benefit fraudulently, the person can be stripped of the benefit at any time - there is no statue of limitations on fraud.

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

i have started my k-1 petition back in october and before my fiance comes i will go to the philippines and come back with her. Now she wants to marry before we come back to U.S.A to marry and although i do see this as a problem since my visa will be approved, i dont know if there is somthing i am missing here?

Can i marry my fiance before comming to the U.S.A, after i already filled my visa in order to marry her in the USA after my Visa has already been approved.

YES you can. Then tear up the fiancee visa and start fresh with a CR-1 and wait 10-12 months. Fianecee visas are for FIANCEES. That is WHY they are called "fiancee visas"

No, you were not the first person to think of it. You were not the first to think of it TODAY.

[MissAAA 9]

Get legal advise.

[djames95 3]

Now that's interesting. Are there some links or references that can be provided? Anyone else have some info?

I would think that after being a citizen for a number of years that the odds of actually being deported would diminish, especially after a court fight of some kind.

I'm not advocating that the OP go through with the concept, I'm just interested in the legal technicalities and real world application.

All you have to do is read the newspapers. There are cases of former concentration camp guards still being tried, and stripped of their US citizenship, after 40 or more years, and being extradited to other countries to face charges. Fraud is fraud, no matter what level!