Is this Fraud by definition

[RICARDO4EVA2 194]

Exactly Harpa.. THEY currently do not have access to USCIS's INFORMATIONAL systems. if people would read up on USCIS's info than they would know this. Tier one has such limited information.... they have what you have basically. They are there to help lazy people who find it hard to jump on the net. Then they are there to help those who really need help by creating a service request - stops there. Tier 2 are available to give leave advice - case specific among other things.

[Aztec&Taino 144]

What is the point of saying it is fraud or not? -I do not think it is fraud, it's a bureaucracy.

Would your petition be approved any faster or would you get reimbursed your petition fee? No. Really, there is no point in getting angry at USCIS or the US government. We are quite honestly LUCKY to have the process be between 6-12 months when a few years ago the process took a couple of years. Overall, conditions have improved. Of course, I know that waiting is the worst! Also, the uncertainty of waiting and not having any guarantees that our efforts will grant our fiance(e)s a visa at the end is horrible. Yet, we have CHOSEN this path as we wished to pursue a relationship with a foreigner. This choice is particularly evident for those of you who signed-up for membership in websites specializing in foreign mates. So, let us accept the process or if you don't accept it make sure that you are writing letters and calling your representatives.

[Tero 105]

Well people make themselves.. thier case/s place stress upon them. Why be angry, heck I have 3 different petitions pending.. am i angry no..? anxious - yes!! Per your post you took it upon your self yo contact the uscis's national customer service line.. to ask questions.. Heck they should have asked you how did you know this.? How you know the cases were true.... hmmm validate. perhaps that would have been a quick shut down. Your case will be processed in due time.. all of you. These are some of the things we MUST deal with when we make the decision to marry a foreign spouse. We have options. We Choose it. We will deal with it.

I concur!

[John+Lourdelie 28]

Well people make themselves.. thier case/s place stress upon them. Why be angry, heck I have 3 different petitions pending.. am i angry no..? anxious - yes!! Per your post you took it upon your self yo contact the uscis's national customer service line.. to ask questions.. Heck they should have asked you how did you know this.? How you know the cases were true.... hmmm validate. perhaps that would have been a quick shut down. Your case will be processed in due time.. all of you. These are some of the things we MUST deal with when we make the decision to marry a foreign spouse. We have options. We Choose it. We will deal with it.

I guess that when my fiancée is here and we are married and gone through AOS and got her green card and applied for citizenship I might tell people to just wait. Your petition will be processed in due time. Don't worry about all those people that just applied 2 weeks ago and are already approved. That means nothing and you shouldn't worry about it.

For the record, I did know how long the process was when I met my fiancée and made the decision to go through the process to bring her here. My mistake was in assuming that everyone that applied would be treated the same and that everyone would be treated fairly. I do understand that there are those who require and are granted expedites. I do understand that USCIS hires new people and that they require training. I don't understand why these training exercises are not performed on petitions that are at or have exceeded the USCIS stated goal for processing time.

Like many others here, my loved one lives half a world away. I can not just jump on a plane and go see her for a weekend or what ever. I need her here with me so that I can tell others not to worry and that their petition will be processed in due time, just like you have told me.

John

[RICARDO4EVA2 194]

I guess that when my fiancée is here and we are married and gone through AOS and got her green card and applied for citizenship I might tell people to just wait. Your petition will be processed in due time. Don't worry about all those people that just applied 2 weeks ago and are already approved. That means nothing and you shouldn't worry about it.

Like many others here, my loved one lives half a world away. I can not just jump on a plane and go see her for a weekend or what ever. I need her here with me so that I can tell others not to worry and that their petition will be processed in due time, just like you have told me.

John

Another possible Solution would be to move to the Philippines permanently / temporarily or any other country that process visas/status in 4-6 months, Know me - already said it.

[Tero 105]

Those first customer representatives were put there as a wall to bounce/filter off the naive. When I first filed my K-1 I did not know about any senior level reps and was helpless each time I called and got thesame info, word for word, that I got online. No specific answer to any specific questions whatsoever. I hope is does not get worse enough to need a Tier 4 reps to address specific inquiries as I sense that the more people know about tier 2 level reps, the more "walls" they'll put between us and them. Soon enough, foreign reps would be involved in picking our calls to give thesame default response to all inquiry.

[ScottThuy 140]

I know that some of you are getting quite curious as to how some K1 and CR1 petitions are being approved in less than one month. I can recall a very recent post by a VJ member. He called the USCIS service center and attempted to place a service request. He was told that he was not beyond the window to submit such a request. He then asked how recently submitted petitions are being approved so quickly. He was told "because some are just easier than others". Really?????? He then asked how the adjudicators would know the content of a petition prior to reviewing it. No explanation was forthcoming. To appease the petitioner, the USCIS staffer agreed to submit the service request. Wait a Minute!!!!!!! What happened????? Do you see a pattern? Some say that these petitions are used as training exercises. BULLSH&^!!!!!! I am a US Government employee (USPS). It is common knowledge that senior management will be very creative in order to "Jazz Up" the performance of their respective area. What do I mean? The director orders some adjudicators to obtain 4-5 boxes of K1 and CR1 petitions that were submitted one month ago. WHY? Easy!! Somebody is either breathing down their neck to speed up the process or that director is cruisin for a promotion. Don't think this is possible? It happens all the time where I work!! What do you think would be the easiest way to make the numbers sway the other way in the Service Center Directors' favor? Remember, that one of the VJ members stated that the reason for the quick approval was due to the ease of reviewing particular petitions. We need to wake up folks. I think some of you are in agreement; maybe not. In the world of high finance, this would be what is commonly called "Cookin the Books". People are put behind bars for doing exactly that. I am sorry, but I calls em like I sees em!!!

Its not fraud.. its a CSR going against policy and making statements outside of the scope of thier ability/job duties. They are provided specific scripts to go by when discussing things on the phone. There are many liberties they often take for whatever reason and these liberties usually involve saying things that are incorrect.

To address the dates of processing....

lets assume we have 4 people reviewing the cases. There is also a stage before the reviewers at which someone recieves the case file, checks the feees and enters the case in the system.. its then put in a bin with other accepted files from that day. The files will sit there for some time before being assigned by bin to the 4 reps. Lets call the 4 reps Ricky, Lucy, Fred and Ethel. Lucy has been on maternity leave for 4 months.. no current case files being handled.. Ricky took a few days off last month for the Chinese New Year Celebration.. Fred and Ethel have been working thier buts off cranking out cases...

The dates on the case Fred and Ethel have are 3-4 months old... Ricky, 5+ because he took some time off. Lucy just got back and her cases are only a month or so old... If Ricky has cases older than the current guidelines, they may move some of his cases to another person to address it... not usually.... it would take his cases to be much older than guidelines for them to do something... In the current system there is no single queue that everyone goe into as we would like... there are many smaller queues that based on chance we may get to Lucy's desk fast...

Where does fraud play into this scenario? It doesn't... Fraud requires some intent to defraud and there is none... we pay the same fee if we wait 6 months or 1.

[LIFE'SJOURNEY 970]

Just my observations from here on VJ, why is it that it is the men who are whinning about being patient. There is an end to every process, sometimes it may not be what you would like to see, but there is an end.

[RICARDO4EVA2 194]

I sense that the more people know about tier 2 level reps, the more "walls" they'll put between us and them. Soon enough, foreign reps would be involved in picking our calls to give thesame default response to all inquiry.

maybe so.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

I know that some of you are getting quite curious as to how some K1 and CR1 petitions are being approved in less than one month. I can recall a very recent post by a VJ member. He called the USCIS service center and attempted to place a service request. He was told that he was not beyond the window to submit such a request. He then asked how recently submitted petitions are being approved so quickly. He was told "because some are just easier than others". Really?????? He then asked how the adjudicators would know the content of a petition prior to reviewing it. No explanation was forthcoming. To appease the petitioner, the USCIS staffer agreed to submit the service request. Wait a Minute!!!!!!! What happened????? Do you see a pattern? Some say that these petitions are used as training exercises. BULLSH&^!!!!!! I am a US Government employee (USPS). It is common knowledge that senior management will be very creative in order to "Jazz Up" the performance of their respective area. What do I mean? The director orders some adjudicators to obtain 4-5 boxes of K1 and CR1 petitions that were submitted one month ago. WHY? Easy!! Somebody is either breathing down their neck to speed up the process or that director is cruisin for a promotion. Don't think this is possible? It happens all the time where I work!! What do you think would be the easiest way to make the numbers sway the other way in the Service Center Directors' favor? Remember, that one of the VJ members stated that the reason for the quick approval was due to the ease of reviewing particular petitions. We need to wake up folks. I think some of you are in agreement; maybe not. In the world of high finance, this would be what is commonly called "Cookin the Books". People are put behind bars for doing exactly that. I am sorry, but I calls em like I sees em!!!

I understand how that can feel frustrating.. and maybe my feelings will change after I have been waiting several months... But this can actually be a good thing overall depending on how it is done. If, as some have said, at the end of the day some director somewhere is grabbing an extra box of fresh applications and going through them... so what? As long as the extra 50 applications being done do not push back other applications no problem... The backload of work is being reduced in that case.

No doubt these directors know how the metrics are being generated and they are doing what most people who are judged by meterics do - they work the system to generate the best metrics. At some point the higher ups will still get complaints if people are not being served and adjust how metrics are examined to better match customer satisfaction... Such as average backload, the average wait times not counting the top and bottom 5% or better yet.. have the metrics weigh the length the time an application has been sitting so that there is a reward for doing them in the correct order.

[Tero 105]

I understand how that can feel frustrating.. and maybe my feelings will change after I have been waiting several months... But this can actually be a good thing overall depending on how it is done. If, as some have said, at the end of the day some director somewhere is grabbing an extra box of fresh applications and going through them... so what? As long as the extra 50 applications being done do not push back other applications no problem... The backload of work is being reduced in that case.

No doubt these directors know how the metrics are being generated and they are doing what most people who are judged by meterics do - they work the system to generate the best metrics. At some point the higher ups will still get complaints if people are not being served and adjust how metrics are examined to better match customer satisfaction... Such as average backload, the average wait times not counting the top and bottom 5% or better yet.. have the metrics weigh the length the time an application has been sitting so that there is a reward for doing them in the correct order.

How can picking cases behind you not push you back?

[Harsh_77 716]

I would not say that caller is commiting a fraud, he is doing everything to push his application as best as he can. Now if USCIS screws up and has to make up their number and caller happens to be calling them at right moment.

He gets advantage of it, so how is the caller committing a fraud, did he send fals documents - no did he lie on his application - no, he just questioned USCIS how they work.

So to me USCIS screwed up when they just approved someone without properly checking them, just coz the application was sitting on top of their pile instead of reaching to the bottom of pile.

Now to cover that up if USCIS employee pulls someone elses file then that is not fraud.

[Abby62 23]

Not sure of the point you are making other than to further frustrate members who are already frustrated with their wait times.

Further more those are pretty bold accusations you are making, maybe when you have solid proof, you will stop talking such propaganda.

Whining does nothing, speculating does nothing, having your paperwork perfect and waiting on their terms will make you feel better that you did everything the right way and the decent way. Still sucks, been there done that, but there is an end!

[kutakendra 3]

What some of you do not understand is that people who should have been processed ARE going backwards. We lost ground every day last week on Igor's list. According to the VJ stats page, we should be approved tomorrow, but the October filers all know that is not true. They really are not working on October. It does seem that they are clearing out some old RFE cases, and that is important, but 2-4 week ago filers, come on. We are complaining that the process is being corrupted, and we are powerless to its whims. If we are powerless and have to follow the rules-- and are punished, severely, if we do not-- where are the ramifications to the USCIS?

[LIFE'SJOURNEY 970]

What some of you do not understand is that people who should have been processed ARE going backwards. We lost ground every day last week on Igor's list. According to the VJ stats page, we should be approved tomorrow, but the October filers all know that is not true. They really are not working on October. It does seem that they are clearing out some old RFE cases, and that is important, but 2-4 week ago filers, come on. We are complaining that the process is being corrupted, and we are powerless to its whims. If we are powerless and have to follow the rules-- and are punished, severely, if we do not-- where are the ramifications to the USCIS?

What you need to remember is that Igor's data is based on data that this entered only by members here on VJ at the moment and time. So, this data will always be skewed, because members don't enter complete or accurate data at the time you are reviewing it. If members goes back and correct their data, then the data results will change as such. I personally believe that VJ should remove Igor's data and list, because it is skewed, and members tend to take it as positive facts, which it is not.