Nord Stream

[seekingthetruth 1,248]

I have no idea what the truth is or the actual extent of the damage, but this could end badly for many people.

 

 

[Mike E 11,741]

 I don’t understand why anyone wouldn’t think this was inevitable. Whether Ukraine, Russia, CIA, or a 4th actor did it, it had to happen eventually.  We should understand the specific motivation once we see the responses  from each and all concerned parties.  
 

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

1 hour ago, Mike E said:

 I don’t understand why anyone wouldn’t think this was inevitable. Whether Ukraine, Russia, CIA, or a 4th actor did it, it had to happen eventually.  We should understand the specific motivation once we see the responses  from each and all concerned parties.  
 

It's been planned for months now.  Biden himself promised to make it happen.

[TBoneTX 45,537]

6 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

Biden himself promised to make it happen.

Here's the support:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/09/did_the_us_or_its_agents_blow_up_the_nordstream_pipelines.html

[Mike E 11,741]

2 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Here's the support:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/09/did_the_us_or_its_agents_blow_up_the_nordstream_pipelines.html

Wow.  

[Boiler 45,670]

I was trying to think who would care, neither are in use.

 

I assume there are procedures to repair, 40ft sections so a few would need replacing.

 

The pipeline that confused me is the one crossing Ukraine, I assumed once hostilities started that would be the first to go but I do not think so.

[slavaskii 886]

1 hour ago, Boiler said:

I was trying to think who would care, neither are in use.

 

I assume there are procedures to repair, 40ft sections so a few would need replacing.

 

The pipeline that confused me is the one crossing Ukraine, I assumed once hostilities started that would be the first to go but I do not think so.

According to this article early in the war, Russia was still paying Ukraine for the gas crossing.

 

My understanding is that, under international law, certain obligations aren't necessarily rendered void due to war. In fact, Eritrea and Ethiopia fought about this in the ICJ, with Ethiopia claiming Eritrea violated a ton of bilateral trade/tourism/infrastructure agreements during hostilities and demanded compensation. The ICJ threw it out because, well, how can you realistically expect any of those things to continue, but I presume because the EU is an additional party here, everyone agreed to just 'let it happen.'

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

2 hours ago, Mike E said:

Wow.  

Not really wow, per se.  As soon as I read about the explosions, I figured it was probably us.  

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

Cracks me up how the media is claiming it was Putin.  You know, the dumb guy who is willing to blow up his own pipeline, right before the Baltic pipeline goes into operation, therefore killing a huge revenue stream for Russia.  

Yes, THAT theory makes sense.  Thank goodness we have the MSM to make it all clear.

 

[Dashinka 24,598]

10 hours ago, LIBrty4all said:

Cracks me up how the media is claiming it was Putin.  You know, the dumb guy who is willing to blow up his own pipeline, right before the Baltic pipeline goes into operation, therefore killing a huge revenue stream for Russia.  

Yes, THAT theory makes sense.  Thank goodness we have the MSM to make it all clear.

 

You know how easily Democrats and those on the Left are gaslighted, so it is obvious the US could be behind this as a false flag tactic, blaming Russia.  I suspect at some point FB and Twitter will start banning anyone that does not toe the Biden narrative that the Russians blew up their own pipeline.

Edited September 29, 2022 by Dashinka

[LIBrty4all 3,754]

12 hours ago, Dashinka said:

You know how easily Democrats and those on the Left are gaslighted, so it is obvious the US could be behind this as a false flag tactic, blaming Russia.  I suspect at some point FB and Twitter will start banning anyone that does not toe the Biden narrative that the Russians blew up their own pipeline.

From someone who pays way more to politics and foreign affairs than I:

 

If US nukes UK, and blames it on Russia:
1. Truss is gone.
2. War machine starts up saving the British Pound.
3. Kills many to satisfy Klaus.
4. Allows US to declare war via Article 5, and cancel midterms.
So many things solved with 1 simple bomb.

6:25 PM

 

 

[TBoneTX 45,537]

We've talked some about this.  After reading this piece, what do we think?

It's Not Crazy To Think Biden Sabotaged Nord Stream To Deepen US Involvement In The Ukraine War

 

Escalating with Russia might be President Biden's only chance to save his failing administration.  Don't put it past him.  [...]

 

https://thefederalist.com/2022/09/30/its-not-crazy-to-think-biden-sabotaged-nord-stream-to-deepen-us-involvement-in-the-ukraine-war/

[seekingthetruth 1,248]

Here is a different perspective.  Well worth the read:

 

https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html

[TBoneTX 45,537]

1 hour ago, seekingthetruth said:

Here is a different perspective.  Well worth the read:

https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html

Well worth it, and I'm very well hydrated now.

[Dashinka 24,598]

17 hours ago, seekingthetruth said:

Here is a different perspective.  Well worth the read:

 

https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html

This actually makes the most sense particularly with Nord Stream 2.