Shut up and dribble

[MarJhi 925]

1 minute ago, Operator said:

 

 

Haha, so you think only capitalists seek money? Delusional much? I must have missed the memo where communist and socialist leaders take a vow of poverty.

[B_J 2,752]

1 minute ago, yuna628 said:

I just assumed that her decision had something to do with feeling more a part of her Chinese heritage and family, which is her right to do so. Many of us, if put in the same position would choose to feel differently, but some may not. That's fine too. I hope that her doing so was her choice, and not out of any pressure or obligation though.

I also hope that, because of her age, she's not really aware of what's going on as far as the Muslim minorities.

[Operator 1,925]

1 minute ago, yuna628 said:

I just assumed that her decision had something to do with feeling more a part of her Chinese heritage and family, which is her right to do so. Many of us, if put in the same position would choose to feel differently, but some may not. That's fine too. I hope that her doing so was her choice, and not out of any pressure or obligation though.

She has said she feels just as much American as she does Chinese.  My point of the post is that the press (and others) condemn athletes for speaking out and then again if they don't.

 

My hope is that her actions would create some movement on the part of the Chinese government to allow dual citizenship.  My son currently has two passports but once he reaches 18 he'll have to chose.  I'm guessing she was put in that position as well and made the decision that was best for her.

 

Others want to make more of it than there should be.  

[Dashinka 23,355]

7 minutes ago, Operator said:

She has said she feels just as much American as she does Chinese.  My point of the post is that the press (and others) condemn athletes for speaking out and then again if they don't.

 

My hope is that her actions would create some movement on the part of the Chinese government to allow dual citizenship.  My son currently has two passports but once he reaches 18 he'll have to chose.  I'm guessing she was put in that position as well and made the decision that was best for her.

 

Others want to make more of it than there should be.  

I just wish sport was sport and not mired in woke ideology.

[yuna628 9,541]

3 minutes ago, B_J said:

I also hope that, because of her age, she's not really aware of what's going on as far as the Muslim minorities.

Probably. If it were me... I certainly would choose differently, but it is what it is.  There is an elderly Chinese couple that run a grocer a couple towns over... absolutely incredible story of how they got to America, what the mom had to do (at times had to send some of the kids back to China to be looked after by family because they were so poor at times, did not want hand outs, and often took some gambles based on the dad's life decisions). The family is all back together in America now and going strong. The kids all chose to stay here and identify as American. I think they could probably understand how torn some could be over such decisions.

1 minute ago, Operator said:

She has said she feels just as much American as she does Chinese.  My point of the post is that the press (and others) condemn athletes for speaking out and then again if they don't.

 

My hope is that her actions would create some movement on the part of the Chinese government to allow dual citizenship.  My son currently has two passports but once he reaches 18 he'll have to chose.  I'm guessing she was put in that position as well and made the decision that was best for her.

 

Others want to make more of it than there should be.  

I doubt that the Chinese government would want that or even consider it. Doesn't seem to be their thing, you know?

[MarJhi 925]

2 minutes ago, Operator said:

My point of the post is that the press (and others) condemn athletes for speaking out and then again if they don't.

Did you ever think that maybe it's not about condemning them for speaking out or not speaking out? Maybe it's about being consistent. If you are going to speak out about an injustice in one country yet be silent about injustices (and get paid) by another country, you just look like a sellout. 

 

By the way, the fact that those inconsistent athletes feel free to speak out about the US but not about China tells you all you need to know about freedom of thought in each country. Their silence on China speaks volumes. 

[MarJhi 925]

20 minutes ago, Operator said:

My hope is that her actions would create some movement on the part of the Chinese government to allow dual citizenship.

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.

[millefleur 5,039]

9 minutes ago, MarJhi said:

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.

The US doesn't care if citizens hold other citizenships, though ( unless you need a security clearance or want to work with top secret government stuff.) Hence, it "allows" dual citizenship. Other countries that don't allow it actually require you to submit written proof of renunciation of former citizenship to obtain theirs. Since the US doesn't require that, you can essentially hold as many other citizenships as you like.

 

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/Advice-about-Possible-Loss-of-US-Nationality-Dual-Nationality/Dual-Nationality.html

Edited February 11, 2022 by millefleur

[millefleur 5,039]

42 minutes ago, Operator said:

My hope is that her actions would create some movement on the part of the Chinese government to allow dual citizenship.  My son currently has two passports but once he reaches 18 he'll have to chose.  I'm guessing she was put in that position as well and made the decision that was best for her.

It seems dual citizenship in Asia is in general not common. I know Japan also does not allow dual nor does South Korea. It seems a bit outdated to me, never really understand why for ordinary people (especially if they have parents of different nationalities) allowing dual citizenship is barred. If you're some high up diplomat or work for the government or military, sure, makes sense. Other than that, I've never understood the reason for banning it.

[Operator 1,925]

25 minutes ago, MarJhi said:

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.

Maybe this thread is difficult for you to follow.  She was born in the US and therefor was not required to take the oath of Naturalization.

[Operator 1,925]

8 minutes ago, millefleur said:

It seems dual citizenship in Asia is in general not common. I know Japan also does not allow dual nor does South Korea. It seems a bit outdated to me, never really understand why for ordinary people (especially if they have parents of different nationalities) allowing dual citizenship is barred. If you're some high up diplomat or work for the government or military, sure, makes sense. Other than that, I've never understood the reason for banning it.

I prefer how the US handles it.

 

[MarJhi 925]

2 hours ago, Operator said:

Maybe this thread is difficult for you to follow.  She was born in the US and therefor was not required to take the oath of Naturalization.

haha,😄

 

I wasn't referencing the skier when I mentioned the oath of naturalization, but I do hope she takes a similar oath to China and stays in that paradise. She wouldn't be the first American to choose "greener pastures" in a communist paradise and she won't be the last.

 

Something tells me she won't be residing there long. Eileen Gu's VPN comment reportedly censored on Chinese social media (msn.com)

[Dashinka 23,355]

10 minutes ago, MarJhi said:

haha,😄

 

I wasn't referencing the skier when I mentioned the oath of naturalization, but I do hope she takes a similar oath to China and stays in that paradise. She wouldn't be the first American to choose "greener pastures" in a communist paradise and she won't be the last.

 

Something tells me she won't be residing there long. Eileen Gu's VPN comment reportedly censored on Chinese social media (msn.com)

Wasn’t Bernie Sanders enamored by the former Soviet Union?

[Operator 1,925]

34 minutes ago, MarJhi said:

haha,😄

 

I wasn't referencing the skier when I mentioned the oath of naturalization, but I do hope she takes a similar oath to China and stays in that paradise. She wouldn't be the first American to choose "greener pastures" in a communist paradise and she won't be the last.

 

Something tells me she won't be residing there long. Eileen Gu's VPN comment reportedly censored on Chinese social media (msn.com)

Please try to get the purpose of my post.  She holds (or held) two passports so no oath necessary for either country.  She is both American and Chinese.  Becoming a naturalized Chinese citizen is one step easier than becoming a unicorn.

 

Typically by the time a mixed race kid becomes 18 they are forced to choose one or the other by China.  My guess is that since her American father isn't in the picture she chose the one country that connected her to the family that raised her.

 

What I don't understand is why she's being raked over the coals for it.  It's a problem with the system not the individual.  The media is making a big deal out of her situation for their own purpose.

 

I lived in China and to be honest some of the pastures are greener, but when an 18 year old kid is forced to choose I think the choice is made based on her own personal feelings and not misdeeds of the ruling party.

 

And if we don't think our government is watching our every move...or we aren't censored on social media????

[Dashinka 23,355]

17 minutes ago, Operator said:

Please try to get the purpose of my post.  She holds (or held) two passports so no oath necessary for either country.  She is both American and Chinese.  Becoming a naturalized Chinese citizen is one step easier than becoming a unicorn.

 

Typically by the time a mixed race kid becomes 18 they are forced to choose one or the other by China.  My guess is that since her American father isn't in the picture she chose the one country that connected her to the family that raised her.

 

What I don't understand is why she's being raked over the coals for it.  It's a problem with the system not the individual.  The media is making a big deal out of her situation for their own purpose.

 

I lived in China and to be honest some of the pastures are greener, but when an 18 year old kid is forced to choose I think the choice is made based on her own personal feelings and not misdeeds of the ruling party.

 

And if we don't think our government is watching our every move...or we aren't censored on social media????

I tend to agree with you as if you look at the roster for the mens and women Chinese ice hockey teams you will find a great many born in Canada, the US and even Russia.  For some reason they do not receive the same scrutiny as Ms.Gu.

 

Even the US sports media has become a pack of political activists.

 

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