Instances of voting interference or fraud

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

There are organizations as well like Judicial Watch that file lawsuits against states and counties to clean up their voter rolls because they'd prefer dead people and god knows who else voting. 

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

14 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

This is the county beside mine and I have friends of mine that work for the county sheriff. I have asked his wife if he is ok and supposedly he is. I will try to get back up with him today. @CanAm1980


Just FYI for anyone but Alamance County is definitely not the place to do some shenanigans like this. They do not mess around at all and you will get sprayed an in jail in a heartbeat. Sheriff Johnson does not play with BS and you will wind up in jail. Not to mention the vast majority of these people ARE NOT EVEN FROM GRAHAM OR ALAMANCE COUNTY AT ALL. They are outside agitators with a very small (at most 5-10 people) that they use to say "See we are from here".


https://abc11.com/police-march-organizers-differ-on-what-happened-in-graham/7555874/

That's not a shock, just look at Andy Ngo's list of rioting pos arrested and see how many are from outside Portland. It's very obvious these extremist orgs are not there to "protest", they are there to cause chaos. Election day it had better be mitigated.

Edited November 2, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Dashinka 25,827]

25 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

That's not a shock, just look at Andy Ngo's list of rioting pos arrested and see how many are from outside Portland. It's very obvious these extremist orgs are not there to "protest", they are there to cause chaos. Election day it had better be mitigated.

And they aren't Marxists.  

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1 hour ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

This is the county beside mine and I have friends of mine that work for the county sheriff. I have asked his wife if he is ok and supposedly he is. I will try to get back up with him today. @CanAm1980


Just FYI for anyone but Alamance County is definitely not the place to do some shenanigans like this. They do not mess around at all and you will get sprayed an in jail in a heartbeat. Sheriff Johnson does not play with BS and you will wind up in jail. Not to mention the vast majority of these people ARE NOT EVEN FROM GRAHAM OR ALAMANCE COUNTY AT ALL. They are outside agitators with a very small (at most 5-10 people) that they use to say "See we are from here".


https://abc11.com/police-march-organizers-differ-on-what-happened-in-graham/7555874/

So there was an approved permit for the courthouse and voter overflow area for 500 to 1000. There was a dispute over closing the roads

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1 hour ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

That's not a shock, just look at Andy Ngo's list of rioting pos arrested and see how many are from outside Portland. It's very obvious these extremist orgs are not there to "protest", they are there to cause chaos. Election day it had better be mitigated.

Are you confused or just confusing ? The march was in North Carolina.

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1 hour ago, CanAm1980 said:

So there was an approved permit for the courthouse and voter overflow area for 500 to 1000. There was a dispute over closing the roads

There was less than 150 people there so no need for the overflow.  Also, permits generally outline what is allowed and what is not allowed.  Being most familiar with burn permits, in our area if one is burning building materials or lumber, we would put it out.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

3 hours ago, CanAm1980 said:

Are you confused or just confusing ? The march was in North Carolina.

What's North Carerlahna? 🙉

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

5 hours ago, CanAm1980 said:

So there was an approved permit for the courthouse and voter overflow area for 500 to 1000. There was a dispute over closing the roads

Basically.... Highway 87 literally goes right around the courthouse. So they couldn't shut off the road without approval from the DOT. Which if you know anything about Sheriff Johnson he is one of those guys that is strictly about the law, and that means your butt better not deviate from it at all. He has been accused of being racist in the past because he has gone after the Hispanic population heavily for DUI/DWIs, and Identity Theft. 

The big couple of problems I have been seeing is that they have been having weekly protests here since June wanting the Confederate statue taken down. But the vast majority of the people protesting don't live in the town let alone the county, and have been trying to hijack the economy of the county to get their way. I have talked with numerous protesters and asked them if they would be ok with a referendum in the city to see if it should be taken down and the majority of the people say "No, it should be taken down regardless of the vote". This pastor is from Burlington which is the largest city in the county but currently lives in Greensboro where I am from. He has been constantly showing up at places to stir stuff up. He says that he was going to go vote but he isn't even registered in that county to vote, he is registered in the same county as I am. 

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3 hours ago, Dashinka said:

There was less than 150 people there so no need for the overflow.  Also, permits generally outline what is allowed and what is not allowed.  Being most familiar with burn permits, in our area if one is burning building materials or lumber, we would put it out.

No , the agreement with the city was that when their allotted time at city hall was over, they could move the activities to the "voting overflow"

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 minute ago, CanAm1980 said:

No , the agreement with the city was that when their allotted time at city hall was over, they could move the activities to the "voting overflow"

Voting overflow??? After day 3 there hasn't been a line to vote at almost any voter location in the state during the early voting period. 

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4 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

Basically.... Highway 87 literally goes right around the courthouse. So they couldn't shut off the road without approval from the DOT. Which if you know anything about Sheriff Johnson he is one of those guys that is strictly about the law, and that means your butt better not deviate from it at all. He has been accused of being racist in the past because he has gone after the Hispanic population heavily for DUI/DWIs, and Identity Theft. 

The big couple of problems I have been seeing is that they have been having weekly protests here since June wanting the Confederate statue taken down. But the vast majority of the people protesting don't live in the town let alone the county, and have been trying to hijack the economy of the county to get their way. I have talked with numerous protesters and asked them if they would be ok with a referendum in the city to see if it should be taken down and the majority of the people say "No, it should be taken down regardless of the vote". This pastor is from Burlington which is the largest city in the county but currently lives in Greensboro where I am from. He has been constantly showing up at places to stir stuff up. He says that he was going to go vote but he isn't even registered in that county to vote, he is registered in the same county as I am. 

I get the DOT concerns, but the should be a path to resolving the issue. Most if those towns have an A or B route as you don't want trucks going through town.

 

The sherrif is not there to only upload the literal law, but to protect the citizens. If the department that approved the permit wasn't supposed to until the  

 

Long story short, there was a permit.

 

I also think the sherrifs claim that the "pepper agent"  was shot down on the ground is BS because I saw pictures of it shot over folks head.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

Voting overflow??? After day 3 there hasn't been a line to vote at almost any voter location in the state during the early voting period. 

 

 

That's was the city called it, in the email memo to the sherrifs on the approved application.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

3 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

I get the DOT concerns, but the should be a path to resolving the issue. Most if those towns have an A or B route as you don't want trucks going through town.

The sherrif is not there to only upload the literal law, but to protect the citizens. If the department that approved the permit wasn't supposed to until the  

Long story short, there was a permit.

I also think the sherrifs claim that the "pepper agent"  was shot down on the ground is BS because I saw pictures of it shot over folks head.

There are pictures of it being shot first at the ground then it escalated to above the heads. As Sheriff of Alamance County he is there to protect the citizens and the vast majority of those aren't even from or living in Alamance County. I am asking my buddy right now what went on according to his perspective as a Deputy in that county. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

12 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

 

 

That's was the city called it, in the email memo to the sherrifs on the approved application.

According to what a local paper this is what actually happened: 

 

EDITOR'S NOTE: NO VOTER INTIMIDATION, NO PEPPER SPRAYING CHILDREN, AND NO 'SURPRISE ATTACK' IN USE OF PEPPER SPRAY – Well, we're sure that all sides are already mad enough at our coverage on Facebook and Twitter, for reporting the FACTS surrounding today's events in Graham, but we feel compelled to offer a few additional points of clarification to address reports we've seen in/on other media sources. This is a long post, but filled with much factual information that should be of great interest:

LAW ENFORCEMENT'S REACTION WAS NOT ABOUT VOTER INTIMIDATION, NOT EVEN REMOTELY -- The march in Graham was labeled as one to encourage voting, a so-called "I am Change Legacy March to the Polls," but there was not an actual march to any polling place.

Yesterday evening's march in Greensboro by the same organizer and with the same name for his endeavor apparently did conclude at an early voting site at or near N.C. A&T University. But that was NOT the case in Graham. Not by stated plan and not by actual occurrence.

In fact, the explicit agreement between the organizer, Rev. Greg Drumwright of Greensboro, and Graham's Police Department, is that the march and rally would terminate AT the courthouse, NOT at an early voting site one block away.

There was no connection whatsoever to actual voting on the last day of early voting in North Carolina. Anyone who was in the group who actually wanted to vote, and had not otherwise already done so, could have proceeded to the early voting site one block away. No one from law enforcement – nor anyone else – prevented them from doing so, or impeding them whatsoever.

And, by the way, the placards of marchers and their chants were also a clue that the march had little to do with voting. Ironically enough the focus of most of the march, the signs, and the speakers was on a litany of social justice/racial justice/police issues. We did not hear ANY chants, for instance, during the five-block march having ANYTHING to do with voting.

Also note that many of the participants – including the lead organizer, Rev. Greg Drumwright – CANNOT VOTE in Alamance County because they do not live here. For various reasons, over the past six months, Graham seems to be attracting protesters from Greensboro, Durham, and other places far beyond the county's borders.

PEPPER SPRAYING CHILDREN? IT DIDN'T HAPPEN – Several reports have stated that children were pepper sprayed. As best we can tell, that did not happen.

It should be noted that NO ONE that we could observe was pepper sprayed in the face. Not adults, and certainly not children. Every available video of any pepper spraying we've seen shows that officers directed the pepper spray on the ground, or at participants' feet, not at their faces and not even at their bodies.

There were in fact a half dozen or so children present, and we're quite sure the vapor from the pepper spray was as unpleasant to them as it was to the reporters covering the event, but unlike the stereotypical pepper spray or mace carried by many women for their protection, neither the police nor the sheriff's office aimed it at any individual, as far as we're aware.

Of course, we also think it a fair point to ask why any parent would have remained with their children after being repeatedly told by law enforcement to disperse and with the obvious potential for the use of pepper spray.

PEPPER SPRAYING ALSO WAS NOT A SURPRISE – Neither law enforcement agency engaged in some "sneak attack" of pepper spray.

In the first instance when it was used, Graham police repeatedly asked/instructed demonstrators to leave the roadway in front of the Confederate monument where the organizer had stopped the march to spend 8½ minutes in a silent vigil for George Floyd – the amount of time corresponding to the length of time the Minneapolis police officer had his foot on Floyd's throat.

The permit for the event called for the march to proceed to the courthouse and be held ON the courthouse grounds, NOT in the road in front of it (except for the march to GET TO the courthouse).

When people did not respond to officers' directives, one instance of a new pepper ball gas was deployed. It is used by throwing it on the ground, but the resulting impact – from odor and breathing difficulties – did have the intended effect of making people move out of the road and to the area at the courthouse that had been designated in the permit for their use.

In the case of the pepper spray employed by the sheriff's office at the end of the rally: over a loud speaker or bullhorn, or possibly both, demonstrators were repeatedly told to disperse. Three warnings over a five-minute period were given. ONLY AFTER the time period was up, and people had not responded, was the pepper spray used – and even then, it was pointed at the ground, not anyone's face.

The readily observable fact that many deputies and some Graham police had by then put on gas masks should also have been notice enough about what was to come if demonstrators did not comply with the orders to disperse. The fact that some law enforcement officers had the cans in their hands was also notice, PLUS they frequently said, out loud many times, that people who did not disperse would be subject to the pepper spray.

DISCUSSION FINE, BUT LET'S GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT – There is certainly room for plenty of discussion, and possibly concern, about aspects of today's march and rally, as well as law enforcement's reaction to it and their response. (As already noted, we're concerned by our own reporter's arrest while taking photographs of the event.)

But it seems to us that such a discussion must start from actual facts about what transpired, not exaggerations, misconceptions, or misrepresentations.

– Tom Boney, Jr., Editor & Publisher, The Alamance News - and on the scene at today's march and rally


https://abc11.com/graham-nc-pepper-spray-alamance-county-early-voting/7580828/

Edited November 2, 2020 by Cyberfx1024

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Another victory for voters

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/federal-judge-rejects-texas-republicans-bid-toss-127-000-drive-n1245828

A federal judge Monday ruled against Texas Republicans who sued to toss out more than 127,000 ballots cast in drive-thru voting booths in Harris County, declaring that the plaintiffs didn't have standing to sue.

Judge Andrew Hanen, who was nominated to the bench by George W. Bush, gave an oral ruling after an emergency hearing in the Southern District of Texas, a day after the Texas Supreme Court denied a similar suit in that court. Earlier, Hanen said the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals could change his ruling if he got it wrong.

Harris, which includes Houston and is the third most populous county in the country, set up drive-thru voting booths to accommodate voters during the pandemic, but a group of state Republicans sued the county clerk claiming that the process violated the legislature’s authority over elections and Texans' equal protection rights