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3 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

My thoughts exactly. Soon unvaccinated people will be required to wear some sort of symbol on their sleeve.

Personally, I think the anti-vaccers are ill-informed, but to me it is their choice.

 


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  They have had a measles outbreak for 6 months. Of course they are going to do something to contain it. Quarantine's used to be a normal part of the response to disease outbreak. They became rare because a lot of those disease outbreaks diminished. If vaccination rates drop and the diseases themselves become more prevalent, I would expect to see this type of response more often.

 

  Measles is a serious illness. They are going to do what they need to do to contain it. People might be surprised how much state public health departments can do when it comes to disease outbreaks.


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5 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Personally, I think the anti-vaccers are ill-informed, but to me it is their choice.

 

 

 It's their choice not to vaccinate, and it's also their responsibility to understand that the response from public health departments to disease outbreaks may be different when you are not vaccinated.. 


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12 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  They have had a measles outbreak for 6 months. Of course they are going to do something to contain it. Quarantine's used to be a normal part of the response to disease outbreak. They became rare because a lot of those disease outbreaks diminished. If vaccination rates drop and the diseases themselves become more prevalent, I would expect to see this type of response more often.

 

  Measles is a serious illness. They are going to do what they need to do to contain it. People might be surprised how much state public health departments can do when it comes to disease outbreaks.

Having a quarantine for measles isn't that much different from a quarantine for chickenpox. It's an extreme over reaction. Almost no one dies from measles. People used to intentionally give their children measles much like chickenpox so they don't get it as an adult. My niece in the Philippines who was born premature got measles a few months after she was born (due to poor sanitation practices at the hospital she went to for a rash). She was sick for a few days then fully recovered. If you want to do something about measles we can start by doing something about illegal aliens who don't have to go through health screenings and bring all sorts of diseases here that are almost eradicated in the US.


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6 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

Having a quarantine for measles isn't that much different from a quarantine for chickenpox. It's an extreme over reaction. Almost no one dies from measles. People used to intentionally give their children measles much like chickenpox so they don't get it as an adult. My niece in the Philippines who was born premature got measles a few months after she was born (due to poor sanitation practices at the hospital she went to for a rash). She was sick for a few days then fully recovered. If you want to do something about measles we can start by doing something about illegal aliens who don't have to go through health screenings and bring all sorts of diseases here that are almost eradicated in the US.

 

  Nobody used to intentionally give their children measles. Nobody who had first hand experience with measles would have been that stupid. I am old enough to actually remember that. It a serious and potentially fatal illness. is not comparable to chicken pox at all.

 

   Also we don't need to get off topic. I agree illegal aliens increase the risk of non endemic illness coming into the USA, but  the initial case in the NY measles outbreak was caused by an unvaccinated USC who returned from abroad after contracting the disease. There is no need to dance around that. Measles was "eradicated" in the US until people stopped getting vaccinated for it. It still would have been. Now so many people are not vaccinated that the spread can not be contained by normal measures. As I said, people are free not to vaccinate their kids if that is their belief, but they are going to be subject to public health measures put in place to prevent the spread of diseases.  


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9 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Nobody used to intentionally give their children measles. Nobody who had first hand experience with measles would have been that stupid. I am old enough to actually remember that. It a serious and potentially fatal illness. is not comparable to chicken pox at all.

 

   Also we don't need to get off topic. I agree illegal aliens increase the risk of non endemic illness coming into the USA, but  the initial case in the NY measles outbreak was caused by an unvaccinated USC who returned from abroad after contracting the disease. There is no need to dance around that. Measles was "eradicated" in the US until people stopped getting vaccinated for it. It still would have been. Now so many people are not vaccinated that the spread can not be contained by normal measures. As I said, people are free not to vaccinate their kids if that is their belief, but they are going to be subject to public health measures put in place to prevent the spread of diseases.  

And the first case in Washington was caused by someone who had the vaccine so what's your point? By the way I don't think bringing up illegal aliens in this context is at all off topic.

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18 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

Having a quarantine for measles isn't that much different from a quarantine for chickenpox. It's an extreme over reaction. Almost no one dies from measles. People used to intentionally give their children measles much like chickenpox so they don't get it as an adult. My niece in the Philippines who was born premature got measles a few months after she was born (due to poor sanitation practices at the hospital she went to for a rash). She was sick for a few days then fully recovered. If you want to do something about measles we can start by doing something about illegal aliens who don't have to go through health screenings and bring all sorts of diseases here that are almost eradicated in the US.

Measles is a serious illness that shouldn't be thought of as an easy-going disease that will be easy to defeat. Despite having an MMR vax I contracted a form of measles about age 21, and my husband contracted mumps around the same time which can also be serious in adults. This was during an outbreak which was caused by non vaccinated USCs traveling to areas such as the UK where the MMR was not properly given. I was not exposed to a lot of illnesses as a child and the chickenpox vax was not available by the time I contracted it around age 15. I have to tell you that was a very serious illness that affected me greatly, requiring hospitalization for a time, but also an extremely long and painful recovery time. Would not wish chickenpox or shingles on my worst enemy. Likewise with EBV, which many contract as toddlers or young with little effect, I was not exposed to that until age 25, and nearly died from that too. To people with immunity issues and other illness, people carrying these highly contagious diseases can be a death sentence. I kind of laugh at those that think the chickenpox is some right of passage childhood illness that everyone should contract and easily defeat with no consequence.

 

The CDC states that measles remains a leading cause of infant morality. Plenty of people still die.

 

While I agree we all need to ensure immigrants are vaccinated against disease, statistically these diseases are cropping up because of citizens giving into nutbaggery. It is their actions that are causing a dangerous resurge of disease.


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4 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

And the first case in Washington was caused by someone who had the vaccine so what's your point? By the way I don't think bringing up illegal aliens in this context is at all off topic.

 

   My point is quarantine is and always was part of the public health response to an outbreak of communicable disease. You specifically started a topic on the NY outbreak because of your objection to that response. If we get illegal immigration down to 0%, the number of people not getting vaccinated is still going to be an issue. Nobody who has been through quarantine measures likes it, but it is a fact of life. As is the fact that the more people who are not vaccinated, the more common outbreaks like this will be, and the more likely we will be subject to measures such as quarantines. Whether we approve or not is irrelevant.


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1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

Personally, I think the anti-vaccers are ill-informed, but to me it is their choice.

 

Not trying to nit pick you here but I'm not a big fan of the term "anti-vaxxer". Take me for example. I don't vaccinate my children. It's not because I don't believe in the science of vaccination. In fact if used properly it could be a great thing for public health. However I have serious concerns about the safety and efficacy of current vaccines. I also don't think we need to vaccinate people for every illness known to man. In my opinion there hasn't been enough independent research done. We rely far too much on studies done by big pharma who no one can deny has a profit motive and the FDA which is packed with big pharma doctors and politicians. If I could be sure vaccines were being produced and administered  in a safe and effective manner I might even give my kids some of them. Until then it's better to be safe than sorry. It's called informed consent and far too many people want to see that go away. I have much more I want to say on this subject but I am extremely busy at the moment so maybe I will come back and post later. I'm sure my opinions aren't very popular but that has never stopped me from expressing them.


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The CDC states that measles remains a leading cause of infant morality. Plenty of people still die.

You might as well say "big pharma states". Both statements hold equal weight as far as I'm concerned.

 

By the way I forgot to add before quarantines are for people who have a disease. Not for people who choose not to take a pharmaceutical product.

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1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

Personally, I think the anti-vaccers are ill-informed, but to me it is their choice.

 

Anti-vaxxers are kind of like people who think that it's a fantastic idea to drink and drive. Usually after the car crash they are ok hopefully.. it's the other people that wind up dead. Choices have consequences, and when those consequences start effecting the life, liberty, and happiness of innocent others.. there seems to be a problem.

 

To bring my husband here, like most other legal immigrants entering this country and who will later potentially becoming citizens, we demand full vaccinations. Yet... it seems we offer a different sort of rules for USCs who refuse for a variety of very wrong and dangerous reasons.


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11 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

You might as well say "big pharma states". Both statements hold equal weight as far as I'm concerned.

Sorry, but you've pretty much stated that you refuse to vaccinate your children, which puts countless lives at risk. I sincerely hope that nothing bad comes of that, but I cannot put much seriousness into statements like this. Facts are facts, whether this fits into your worldview of religious reasons or paranoias that simply have no scientific weight. You have a right to your beliefs, but those beliefs will ultimately increase risks to others. There are risks to everything yes. There is a risk you could die falling off your front step while going to work, or getting behind the wheel, or for any unexplained reason. Vaccinations have some risks, those risks are small, smaller than other daily risks and benefits far outweigh them. I went in for emergency surgery a few weeks ago, and ended up succumbing to risks that were very low. What are the odds eh? But it happened to me. It's the third time I've cheated death, and I'm betting had I not had prior damage due to those childhood illnesses that didn't manifest until adulthood that caused severe damage in the past I may have increased my good odds. Now it may take me a year to recover again. My parents didn't care much for doctor stuff for religious reasons. I didn't receive many vaccinations, proper healthcare, and that had effects on me too.

 

But you do you.

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