Jump to content
Nature Boy 2.0

Ethiopian Airlines plane's black box recovered after deadly crash, but is reportedly damaged

90 posts in this topic

Recommended Posts

what do the smart people think of this. Its hard to believe that the pilot had control of the plane. 

 

2 new planes in such a short period of time?

 

 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/ethiopian-airlines-planes-black-box-found-after-deadly-crash-but-is-reportedly-damaged

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think Boeing has a problem on it's hands. One eyewitness stated that the plane did indeed behave strangely and produce odd noises before crashing. Another stated that personal items were falling from the plane before it crashed. This would imply an opening in the fuselage somewhere before impact. With the Lion Air crash, it seems that the new control systems have something to do with it and part failures. What witnesses report on the Lion Air flight the day before it crashed when it had technical issues and this crash sound a little similar. Trouble maintaining altitude, pilot struggles to bring up the nose, and then the plane dives.


K-1 - AOS & ROC Timeline  - Immigration and the Health Exchange Price of Love in the UK Thinking of Returning to UK?

 

First met: 12/31/04 - Engaged: 9/24/09
Filed I-129F: 10/4/14 - Packet received: 10/7/14
NOA 1 email + ARN assigned: 10/10/14 (hard copy 10/17/14)
Touched on website (fixed?): 12/9/14 - Poked USCIS: 4/1/15
NOA 2 email: 5/4/15 (hard copy 5/11/15)
Sent to NVC: 5/8/15 - NVC received + #'s assigned: 5/15/15 (estimated)
NVC sent: 5/19/15 - London received/ready: 5/26/15
Packet 3: 5/28/15 - Medical: 6/16/15
Poked London 7/1/15 - Packet 4: 7/2/15
Interview: 7/30/15 - Approved!
AP + Issued 8/3/15 - Visa in hand (depot): 8/6/15
POE: 8/27/15

Wedding: 9/30/15

Filed I-485, I-131, I-765: 11/7/15

Packet received: 11/9/15

NOA 1 txt/email: 11/15/15 - NOA 1 hardcopy: 11/19/15

Bio: 12/9/15

EAD + AP approved: 1/25/16 - EAD received: 2/1/16

RFE for USCIS inability to read vax instructions: 5/21/16 (no e-notification & not sent from local office!)

RFE response sent: 6/7/16 - RFE response received 6/9/16

AOS approved/card in production: 6/13/16  

NOA 2 hardcopy + card sent 6/17/16

Green Card received: 6/18/16

USCIS 120 day reminder notice: 2/22/18

Filed I-751: 5/2/18 - Packet received: 5/4/18

NOA 1:  5/29/18 (12 mo) 8/13/18 (18 mo)  - Bio: 6/27/18

Transferred: Potomac Service Center 3/26/19

Approved/New Card Produced: 4/25/19

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Unidentified said:

Majority of the airlines around the world has grounded the MAX, only the US refusing to do the same.

Why should they ground them?  SWA and AAL operate (58) 737 MAX 8s, and UAL operates (14) 737 MAX 9s, and have had no issues.  (350 have been flying worldwide since January 2016).  Thousands upon thousands of flight hours, with data that is downloaded from the planes and put into computers to be analyzed, with no indication of problems.  Yes, it’s a new variant of a proven 737 base model, with new software and some new systems, but thus far, no one has been able to show a fault.  

 

Two failures in that many flight hours makes it hard to diagnose an actual fault, especially if they cannot retrieve the FDR data from te Indonesia flight.  Horrific loss of life, to be sure.  But unless the computers are able to find an anomaly that can be corrected with new parts or new software, grounding them will do little to correct any potential issues.

 

ETA: And it’s NOT just the US who isn’t grounding them.  Canada also has not.  Fiji Airways, IcelandAir, and FlyDubai are also still operating them today.  But we shall see if public opinion allows that to last.

Edited by ALFKAD

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, ALFKAD said:

Why should they ground them?  SWA and AAL operate (58) 737 MAX 8s, and UAL operates (14) 737 MAX 9s, and have had no issues.  (350 have been flying worldwide since January 2016).  Thousands upon thousands of flight hours, with data that is downloaded from the planes and put into computers to be analyzed, with no indication of problems.  Yes, it’s a new variant of a proven 737 base model, with new software and some new systems, but thus far, no one has been able to show a fault.  

 

Two failures in that many flight hours makes it hard to diagnose an actual fault, especially if they cannot retrieve the FDR data from te Indonesia flight.  Horrific loss of life, to be sure.  But unless the computers are able to find an anomaly that can be corrected with new parts or new software, grounding them will do little to correct any potential issues.

 

ETA: And it’s NOT just the US who isn’t grounding them.  Canada also has not.  Fiji Airways, IcelandAir, and FlyDubai are also still operating them today.  But we shall see if public opinion allows that to last.

Icelandair, FlyDubai and some Canadian airline have grounded their fleet. 

 

This was a barely 4-month-old airplane (in comparison to at least AA that has a fleet of MAX that is almost a year old by now) could be the MCAS flipping out again. Just doesn't feel safe to have an automated system preventing the airplane to stall because it wants to pitch up the nose due to the fact that they put bigger engines on a narrow body airplane and therefore where forced to put it slightly forward and up on the wing as well as raise the landing gear by 8 inches. Plus it's a system that Boeing didn't bother telling the pilots about until the Lion Air crash, not even telling them that in order for them to disengage the MCAS they need to manually pitch the aircraft. Good job Boeing. Don't want to overwhelm those "average pilots" with too much info. 






Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have read that there was a debris trail behind the aircraft as well as smoke. Sounds like part of the structure had been compromised. 

 

The PIC "Captain " was only 29.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

And this is not about the US having better pilots. This about the FAA not having the guts to say lets ground a boeing plane. Former FAA safety director said it needs to be grounded. A former FAA employe just told my husband today that every FAA administration she's worked with since 1986 would have grounded them until "there was a review, diagnosis, and pilot training written. This is not normal". 






Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I have read that there was a debris trail behind the aircraft as well as smoke. Sounds like part of the structure had been compromised. 

 

The PIC "Captain " was only 29.

There's a lot of rumours going on. Looking at graphs from flightradar24 the plane had trouble gaining altitude after takeoff. 






Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Unidentified said:

Icelandair, FlyDubai and some Canadian airline have grounded their fleet. 

 

This was a barely 4-month-old airplane (in comparison to at least AA that has a fleet of MAX that is almost a year old by now) could be the MCAS flipping out again. Just doesn't feel safe to have an automated system preventing the airplane to stall because it wants to pitch up the nose due to the fact that they put bigger engines on a narrow body airplane and therefore where forced to put it slightly forward and up on the wing as well as raise the landing gear by 8 inches. Plus it's a system that Boeing didn't bother telling the pilots about until the Lion Air crash, not even telling them that in order for them to disengage the MCAS they need to manually pitch the aircraft. Good job Boeing. Don't want to overwhelm those "average pilots" with too much info. 

I see some airlines are now going after Boeing for compensation of lost flight time.  Wonder what happens if it is found to be pilot error?  As to more and more automated systems, I keep hearing that these will cause fewer issues if we make all cars automated.  I am not an aerodynamic expert, but if Boeing put out an airplane that is not airworthy, they should go down in flames.  I doubt that is the case though considering all the requirements they have to meet to get an airworthy certification.  The thing that amazes me with this latest crash is that Ethiopia is resisting allowing the FDR to be reviewed which may contain some very important information.  Accident investigations take a long time usually, and often times the FDR and FCR are not even available, but in this case they are and politics is keeping them from being analyzed. 


Visa Received : 2014-04-04 (K1 - see timeline for details)

US Entry : 2014-09-12

POE: Detroit

Marriage : 2014-09-27

I-765 Approved: 2015-01-09

I-485 Interview: 2015-03-11

I-485 Approved: 2015-03-13

Green Card Received: 2015-03-24 Yeah!!!

I-751 ROC Submitted: 2016-12-20

I-751 NOA Received:  2016-12-29

I-751 Biometrics Appt.:  2017-01-26

I-751 Interview:  2018-04-10

I-751 Approved:  2018-05-04

N400 Filed:  2018-01-13

N400 Biometrics:  2018-02-22

N400 Interview:  2018-04-10

N400 Approved:  2018-04-10

Oath Ceremony:  2018-06-11 - DONE!!!!!!!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Unidentified said:

And this is not about the US having better pilots. This about the FAA not having the guts to say lets ground a boeing plane. Former FAA safety director said it needs to be grounded. A former FAA employe just told my husband today that every FAA administration she's worked with since 1986 would have grounded them until "there was a review, diagnosis, and pilot training written. This is not normal". 

Did the FAA ground every 737 when they had the rudder control issues?


Visa Received : 2014-04-04 (K1 - see timeline for details)

US Entry : 2014-09-12

POE: Detroit

Marriage : 2014-09-27

I-765 Approved: 2015-01-09

I-485 Interview: 2015-03-11

I-485 Approved: 2015-03-13

Green Card Received: 2015-03-24 Yeah!!!

I-751 ROC Submitted: 2016-12-20

I-751 NOA Received:  2016-12-29

I-751 Biometrics Appt.:  2017-01-26

I-751 Interview:  2018-04-10

I-751 Approved:  2018-05-04

N400 Filed:  2018-01-13

N400 Biometrics:  2018-02-22

N400 Interview:  2018-04-10

N400 Approved:  2018-04-10

Oath Ceremony:  2018-06-11 - DONE!!!!!!!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
45 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Did the FAA ground every 737 when they had the rudder control issues?

 

   They did ground the 787's in 2013. The approach either of those cases was knowing what the problem was and making a decision. In this case it's not knowing for certain what is causing the problem. The choice is then whether to err on the side of caution or not. Unlike many other countries, the FAA seems not to be going that route. Hopefully they know what they are doing.


995507-quote-moderation-in-all-things-an

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
- Back to Top -


Important Disclaimer: Please read carefully the Visajourney.com Terms of Service. If you do not agree to the Terms of Service you should not access or view any page (including this page) on VisaJourney.com. Answers and comments provided on Visajourney.com Forums are general information, and are not intended to substitute for informed professional medical, psychiatric, psychological, tax, legal, investment, accounting, or other professional advice. Visajourney.com does not endorse, and expressly disclaims liability for any product, manufacturer, distributor, service or service provider mentioned or any opinion expressed in answers or comments. VisaJourney.com does not condone immigration fraud in any way, shape or manner. VisaJourney.com recommends that if any member or user knows directly of someone involved in fraudulent or illegal activity, that they report such activity directly to the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement. You can contact ICE via email at Immigration.Reply@dhs.gov or you can telephone ICE at 1-866-347-2423. All reported threads/posts containing reference to immigration fraud or illegal activities will be removed from this board. If you feel that you have found inappropriate content, please let us know by contacting us here with a url link to that content. Thank you.
×