New York State Senate Passes Bill Permitting Abortions up to Birth

[Chris Duffy 1,257]

New York :

 

Will not allow the Death Sentence for Criminals, but will allow late term abortions.

 

Makes Sense to nobody...……...

[OriZ 3,165]

Why do they still bother having murder laws on the books? In my view, if they charge any parent with murder for killing their own child now, after birth or not, they are nothing but hypocrites.

[Ban Hammer 14,794]

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

12 hours ago, OriZ said:

Why do they still bother having murder laws on the books? In my view, if they charge any parent with murder for killing their own child now, after birth or not, they are nothing but hypocrites.

I actually hate to say this, but maybe a year ago I had this very argument with Val.  If we keep increasing the allowable abortion times, what's to stop a frustrated mother from killing an unruly infant?  And when do teens become fair game?

[Steeleballz 7,550]

7 hours ago, ALFKAD said:

I actually hate to say this, but maybe a year ago I had this very argument with Val.  If we keep increasing the allowable abortion times, what's to stop a frustrated mother from killing an unruly infant?  And when do teens become fair game?

 

  The NY law uses 24 weeks as the cutoff, unless the fetus is already non viable or the mothers health is at risk. This is the same wording used in Roe vs Wade. I'm not sure what you think has increased.  The old NY law allowed abortion after 24 weeks if the mothers life was at risk. The new law allows abortion after 24 weeks if the fetus is non viable or if the mothers health is at serious risk. 

 

  A woman cannot just decide to have an abortion at 25 weeks. You guys seem to be imagining what the law allows or you are listening to the rhetoric a little to closely. New York's penal code already classifies conduct which causes death of an unborn child greater than 24 weeks as homicide. Deciding you don't want a baby at 25 weeks gestation is not an exception to that law.

 

 

 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,489]

56 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  The NY law uses 24 weeks as the cutoff, unless the fetus is already non viable or the mothers health is at risk. This is the same wording used in Roe vs Wade. I'm not sure what you think has increased.  The old NY law allowed abortion after 24 weeks if the mothers life was at risk. The new law allows abortion after 24 weeks if the fetus is non viable or if the mothers health is at serious risk. 

 

  A woman cannot just decide to have an abortion at 25 weeks. You guys seem to be imagining what the law allows or you are listening to the rhetoric a little to closely. New York's penal code already classifies conduct which causes death of an unborn child greater than 24 weeks as homicide. Deciding you don't want a baby at 25 weeks gestation is not an exception to that law.

 

 

 

A good many of my FB friends are from my rual childhood.  A good many fundamental white 45+ types. OMG the misinformational outrage is overwhelming my feed.

 

Yes I know I made a new word and slogan but it fits.

 

Misinformational Outrage 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 minute ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

A good many of my FB friends are from my rual childhood.  A good many fundamental white 45+ types. OMG the misinformational outrage is overwhelming my feed.

 

Yes I know I made a new word and slogan but it fits.

 

Misinformational Outrage 

 

  Not bad. Given your track record, it will probably stick. You'll probably help it along too. I agree though, always a good idea to get the facts first before you decide if you need to get mad or not. There is a lot of reaction here to a reality that hasn't changed all that much.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  The NY law uses 24 weeks as the cutoff, unless the fetus is already non viable or the mothers health is at risk. This is the same wording used in Roe vs Wade. I'm not sure what you think has increased.  The old NY law allowed abortion after 24 weeks if the mothers life was at risk. The new law allows abortion after 24 weeks if the fetus is non viable or if the mothers health is at serious risk. 

 

  A woman cannot just decide to have an abortion at 25 weeks. You guys seem to be imagining what the law allows or you are listening to the rhetoric a little to closely. New York's penal code already classifies conduct which causes death of an unborn child greater than 24 weeks as homicide. Deciding you don't want a baby at 25 weeks gestation is not an exception to that law.

 

 

 

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In other words, abortion will be available to women essentially on demand up to the point of birth. The RHA will also decriminalize abortion, moving it from the state’s criminal code to the public-health code.

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

33 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Not bad. Given your track record, it will probably stick. You'll probably help it along too. I agree though, always a good idea to get the facts first before you decide if you need to get mad or not. There is a lot of reaction here to a reality that hasn't changed all that much.

Apropos of nothing, your siggy pic has been a bad link for some time now.  All I see is text.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

6 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

 

 

  You are quoting rhetoric from a biased website. Look at the actual law.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

5 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

Apropos of nothing, your siggy pic has been a bad link for some time now.  All I see is text.

 

  Indeed. It's somewhere on my priority list to change it. Just not very high.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

16 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  You are quoting rhetoric from a biased website. Look at the actual law.

No, I am quoting from the OP.  Who here would post drivel from a biased website?

 

Ok, so now it is legal for a woman to abort a fetus 60% of the way into her pregnancy and it not be called homicide.  Plus or minus about 2-4 weeks, of course.  

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Some legality for your pleasurable reading:

 

 

 

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S 125.05 Homicide, abortion and related offenses; definitions of terms.
  The following definitions are applicable to this article:
  1. "Person," when referring to the victim of a homicide, means a human
being who has been born and is alive.
  2. "Abortional act" means an act committed upon or with respect to a
female, whether by another person or by the female herself, whether she
is pregnant or not, whether directly upon her body or by the
administering, taking or prescription of drugs or in any other manner,
with intent to cause a miscarriage of such female.
  3. "Justifiable abortional act." An abortional act is justifiable when
committed upon a female with her consent by a duly licensed physician
acting (a) under a reasonable belief that such is necessary to preserve
her life, or, (b) within twenty-four weeks from the commencement of her
pregnancy. A pregnant female`s commission of an abortional act upon
herself is justifiable when she acts upon the advice of a duly licensed
physician (1) that such act is necessary to preserve her life, or, (2)
within twenty-four weeks from the commencement of her pregnancy. The
submission by a female to an abortional act is justifiable when she
believes that it is being committed by a duly licensed physician, acting
under a reasonable belief that such act is necessary to preserve her
life, or, within twenty-four weeks from the commencement of her
pregnancy.

So an abortional act can be performed on a woman who is pregnant or not.  Hmmmm.

 

Paragraph 3. Says it’s justifiable for a woman to abort herself if her physician tells her it will preserve her life.  Not save her life, but preserve it.  Seems like a potentially broad definition that can be abused if a person so desires. Preserving her life could be construed to mean keeping the status quo, as opposed to all the life changes brought about by the birth of an unwanted rug rat.  But perhaps that’s just me.

 

http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article125.htm#p125.05

[OriZ 3,165]

20 weeks should be absolute max. If you ask my wife it should be 12...

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

38 minutes ago, OriZ said:

20 weeks should be absolute max. If you ask my wife it should be 12...

Yeah, if you don't know what you want by the 50% mark, you have bigger issues than raising a kid.