Trump Has Made U.S. Policy Much More Resistant To Immigration — Without The Wall

[refugee 169]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-hasnt-needed-the-wall-to-remake-u-s-immigration-policy/
President Trump and congressional Democrats are fighting over how much the U.S. government should spend on Trump’s proposed border wall, risking another government shutdown because of a dispute over immigration policy. However those negotiations turn out, though, here’s the thing: The massive wall, which Trump has said would stretch 1,000 milesacross the U.S.-Mexico border, is very unlikely to be built, at least at that size. Mexico is not paying for it, and Congress is unlikely to put up much money for it.

[TBoneTX 45,498]

Thread is moved from US Immigration News to the CEHST forum.

[jg121783 3,917]

As I have said before Trump is within his authority to (and should) use defense money along with troops to build the wall which doesn't require Congressional approval. Of course he is too concerned about the politics of doing that which is one of my issues with him. He needs to quit trying to appease the left.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

"risking another government shutdown because of a dispute over immigration policy. "

 

That's creative mediaism, right there.  What about the previous 17 shutdowns,  what were they caused by?  And, the January shutdown (that lasted three whole days), wasn't about immigration.  Democrats TRIED to get DACA tossed into the mix, but it never was.  

 

 

[bcking 3,157]

This, combined with data to suggest that illegal immigration is already down, suggests there may be many more cost effective ways to fix our problems than build and maintain a wall.

 

I've always believed the best way to do it is take away what makes coming into the US ilegally so appealing. I don't mean arrest everyone (obviously arrest those who are criminals, beyond their illegal entry). I say very strongly go after employers who hire illegal immigrants. If they can't get jobs, they won't stick around. 

Edited December 10, 2018 by bcking

[refugee 169]

17 minutes ago, bcking said:

This, combined with data to suggest that illegal immigration is already down, suggests there may be many more cost effective ways to fix our problems than build and maintain a wall.

 

I've always believed the best way to do it is take away what makes coming into the US ilegally so appealing. I don't mean arrest everyone (obviously arrest those who are criminals, beyond their illegal entry). I say very strongly go after employers who hire illegal immigrants. If they can't get jobs, they won't stick around. 

We tried to have that discussion about employer violation of Federal law by conspiracy to file false I-9 s , but there was all kinds of pushback discussing the business of the president. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 hours ago, refugee said:

We tried to have that discussion about employer violation of Federal law by conspiracy to file false I-9 s , but there was all kinds of pushback discussing the business of the president. 

It has been discussed here ad nauseum, as I am sure you recall.  And sadly, there is not much we can do about it.  I think every person who has ever talked about the topic supports the concept.  

Just like gun laws, there are people who choose to break them; ditto employment verification laws, and the people who choose to break those.  Laws are meaningless to the criminals who opt to ignore them.

Edited December 10, 2018 by Satisfied

[refugee 169]

20 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

It has been discussed here ad nauseum, as I am sure you recall.  And sadly, there is not much we can do about it.  I think every person who has ever talked about the topic supports the concept.  

Just like gun laws, there are people who choose to break them; ditto employment verification laws, and the people who choose to break those.  Laws are meaningless to the criminals who opt to ignore them.

I would not refer to the Trump Organization as a criminal enterprise , although many have

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4 hours ago, bcking said:

This, combined with data to suggest that illegal immigration is already down, suggests there may be many more cost effective ways to fix our problems than build and maintain a wall.

 

I've always believed the best way to do it is take away what makes coming into the US ilegally so appealing. I don't mean arrest everyone (obviously arrest those who are criminals, beyond their illegal entry). I say very strongly go after employers who hire illegal immigrants. If they can't get jobs, they won't stick around. 

Illegal immigration is down because everybody is claiming asylum when they are caught by CBP.

[Unidentified 2,930]

This country already has a trillion dollar debt, why add on to it more with an expensive wall if the numbers of unauthorized aliens are going down?  I'm sure there are better, less expensive ways to protect the border. 

[refugee 169]

7 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

This country already has a trillion dollar debt, why add on to it more with an expensive wall if the numbers of unauthorized aliens are going down?  I'm sure there are better, less expensive ways to protect the border. 

Mexico is paying for the wall

[Unidentified 2,930]

Just now, refugee said:

Mexico is paying for the wall

No, they're not and they shouldn't have to either. 

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14 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

This country already has a trillion dollar debt, why add on to it more with an expensive wall if the numbers of unauthorized aliens are going down?  I'm sure there are better, less expensive ways to protect the border. 

Mexico can and should pay for the wall.......Just tax every dollar wired back to Mexico's economy...

[refugee 169]

Just now, Unidentified said:

No, they're not and they shouldn't have to either. 

I can't disagree, it is just that the President insisted, and the president seems to have God-like stature in this forum. 

 

Just this year the President said "the wall is the wall, it has never changed or evolved from the first day I conceived of it.

[refugee 169]

Just now, missileman said:

Mexico can and should pay for the wall.......Just tax every dollar wired back to Mexico's economy...

Even the bank transfers between multinational corporations? Or will we just pick on the poorest?