Problem with G325

[RobertM54 36]

I have a NOA2.

I just learned that my fiance worked in Turkey for 5 months at the hotel her friend works at.

March-August 211. She did not have a work visa. The time in Turkey is, of course, on her passport.

Her son stayed with her parents in the village, which she listed as her address.

The "residence" and "wok" are not on the G325.

She is under the mistaken impression that the K-1 is merely a formality. That everyone in Kiev is approved. So she does not consider this to be a serious issue.

Because of the 31 year age difference, I think they will be looking for any reason at all to reject our visa.

And I know of at least one rejection in Kiev in these forums, I assume there are others.

I assume the only thing to do is to bring a corrected G325 to the interview. And report the unauthorised work.

I think we are screwed. And maybe I'm screwed. Maybe all of my friends were wrong about her.

[A'n'L 735]

The g325a is one thing (bring a corrected one, make sure she fills out her ds160 correctly), your trust and affection for her is a different thing.

[millefleur 5,035]

It's not the end of the road even if your K-1 gets rejected. You can marry and then apply for a CR-1. Not as convenient, but still an option.

As A'n'L said, just bring a corrected one and make sure no more mistakes are made on any further paperwork.

[gregcrs2 1,777]

Playing the devil's advocate, let's look at it from the CO perspective. The beneficiary's passport shows out of country for approximately 5 months. OK, there's a big disconnect here. The beneficiary did not correctly state her residences in the past 5 years. The beneficiary did not correctly state employment in past 5 years. The beneficiary did not state last occupation abroad. Hmmm, what are the chances that the beneficiary forgot where she worked, where she resided, and that she worked abroad in the past 5 years? What were you doing in Turkey for 5 months? So you worked? Did you work legally? Yes? Can you show your work permit? You don't have it with you? Where did you work? So you worked in a hotel? What kind of work did you do in a hotel?

The CO already knows there are 2 main types of temporary jobs for young women in a foreign country. Those jobs are primarily housekeeping services and "personal services". The CO also knows there are 2 types of women that takes temporary jobs abroad. There are those that are desperate to find whatever they can to support their family and there are those looking for easy money. So if she is young and good looking, you can imagine what will be going through the CO's mind.

Yes, you have a big hurdle to jump here. What's even more disturbing is that you are just finding this out now. I wish you luck but at this time I agree with the OP's assessment of the situation.

[Moslund 94]

I don't know what or where she has been reading but her to say everyone is apprved from Kiev is very much so incorrect... it seems as if she thinks it's a rite of passage to be giving a k1 by the way she isn't taken this seriously... is USCIS even suspect they have been untruthful they not only will reject the application but regaurd it as fraudulent behavior since there lying... if they suspect her of obtaining a visa fraudulently she can more or less kiss any other attemp of getting a visa goodbye... if the case got rejected for other reason then you can always reapply but you don't want fraudulent behavior marked on her for life when immigration is concerned... little does she know if she is apprved when you go to adjust status they run your name, fingerprint and background checks through 3 different FBI databases not just in the US but worldwide databases caught in her lie if her name pings up and the information doesn't match what are you going to Do?

The fact aswell she worked in turkey and everything terrorist going on in that region that is DEFIINATELY not something you want to keep quiet about working there... if they find out shes been lying it be an ever bigger what are you hiding about being there and she will be grilled like you cannot imagine cause they will think she trying to hide something major

Edited October 7, 2016 by Moslund

[RobertM54 36]

The CO already knows there are 2 main types of temporary jobs for young women in a foreign country. Those jobs are primarily housekeeping services and "personal services". The CO also knows there are 2 types of women that takes temporary jobs abroad. There are those that are desperate to find whatever they can to support their family and there are those looking for easy money. So if she is young and good looking, you can imagine what will be going through the CO's mind.

I appreciate the devil's advocate role.

Let's assume that given her desperate financial situation, she was recently abandoned by the father of her child, and she legitimately has a school mate working at the resort in question that my fiance is not now and has never been a prostitute. Frankly, my fear was she might have a marriage in Turkey that was never dissolved. She swears she does not.

And she reminds me that she did tell me about her time in Turkey when we first met. (They never forget anything.) I was looking at her passport and all of the visa stamps. It just did not register when it came time to do the G325.

So let's consider this for the CO. She left the work experience off because she did not have a work visa. Because of the back and forth and her son was at home with parents, she legitimately considered that home through this period.

What do you think?

The fact that my girl is incredibly eager to do the TLC thing tells me she is the simple village girl she seems to be and has nothing major to hide.

Edited October 7, 2016 by RobertM54

[gregcrs2 1,777]

I appreciate the devil's advocate role.

Let's assume that given her desperate financial situation, she was recently abandoned by the father of her child, and she legitimately has a school mate working at the resort in question that my fiance is not now and has never been a prostitute. Frankly, my fear was she might have a marriage in Turkey that was never dissolved. She swears she does not.

And she reminds me that she did tell me about her time in Turkey when we first met. (They never forget anything.) I was looking at her passport and all of the visa stamps. It just did not register when it came time to do the G325.

So let's consider this for the CO. She left the work experience off because she did not have a work visa. Because of the back and forth and her son was at home with parents, she legitimately considered that home through this period.

What do you think?

The fact that my girl is incredibly eager to do the TLC thing tells me she is the simple village girl she seems to be and has nothing major to hide.

You've got a catch 22 situation and as you stated "they never forget anything". The CO knows that as well.

If she says she left the work experience off because she did not have a work visa, she just admitted she broke Turkish Labor Law and provided falsified documentation. So now she is already viewed as a law breaker and a liar in the eye of the CO. After the signature area of the G-325A, there is a note about penalties in bold letters: Severe penalties are provided by law for knowingly or willfully falsifying or concealing a material fact.

To throw a different angle at it, here's another scenario the CO may consider. Here's a older guy with a nice looking young woman, a simple village girl, big age difference, met by internet, she has worked in Turkey illegally in an unverified occupation. This look like a ripe scenario for possible human trafficking.

By the way, how often did she come home during those 5 months?

[RobertM54 36]

You've got a catch 22 situation and as you stated "they never forget anything". The CO knows that as well.

If she says she left the work experience off because she did not have a work visa, she just admitted she broke Turkish Labor Law and provided falsified documentation. So now she is already viewed as a law breaker and a liar in the eye of the CO. After the signature area of the G-325A, there is a note about penalties in bold letters: Severe penalties are provided by law for knowingly or willfully falsifying or concealing a material fact.

To throw a different angle at it, here's another scenario the CO may consider. Here's a older guy with a nice looking young woman, a simple village girl, big age difference, met by internet, she has worked in Turkey illegally in an unverified occupation. This look like a ripe scenario for possible human trafficking.

By the way, how often did she come home during those 5 months?

Thanks for the continued devil's advocate. I absolutely agree with everything you said in para 2. That is why I worry about being screwed. Some think we can recover with the corrected form at the interview and appropriate mea culpas. I long ago concluded that transparency and honesty was the way to go in my life. On the other hand, life with this girl is like an episode of Friends.

Actually, my AirBnB hostess introduced us. Kind of a cute story. Given what the CO can learn about me from the internet and government databases, human trafficking will not be a consideration.

I think once.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

I think you'll be perfect for 90 day fiance.

[RobertM54 36]

I think you'll be perfect for 90 day fiance.

Not a compliment I suppose. As long as we get through the embassy, everything else is small stuff.

[LionessDeon 2,060]

That show would be the last thing on my mind right now.

[Michael and Ganna 103]

Hello Robert, I have been an expat in Kyiv for many years. It doesn't seem like you know this woman very well. 31 year age gap is out of the norm.....not saying it hasn't worked, just saying it's not normal. If there is one bone in the closet, there is defiantly going to be another and soon you will find the whole skeleton.

I hope you understand the relationship culture of Ukraine...... I guarantee she will come out as the winner. If I could give you a little assignment, I would ask you to talk to other men who have married a woman with a child under the age of 18 or maybe 21. Also, have you argued with her yet?....It is part of the culture here and it gives them an emotional "reset". If she hasn't handed you your backside yet I would take that as a red flag from a slavic woman. Arguments are an important fact of life here and somehow necessary. You will have to learn to argue without hurting her. Words can hurt....

One of the biggest groups that come here as sexpats, come from Turkey. My wife went to Turkey and the men were all over her. Women go to Turkey for the money.....It has nothing to do with cleaning rooms in a hotel. Maybe that is why she had no work permit. I am only trying to be kind but you need to open your eyes. Here in Ukraine, women only have jobs if they have sex with the boss.....plane and simple fact.

If you would like to inbox me I can give you more information on the culture

[RobertM54 36]

Here in Ukraine, women only have jobs if they have sex with the boss.....plane and simple fact.

If you would like to inbox me I can give you more information on the culture

Thanks so much. I sent you a longish PM. I generally agree with your comment and understand the implications it has for male female relations in Ukraine.

[millefleur 5,035]

Just want to chime in here with one more thing. Sometimes the CO is trying to protect you, the USC, from marrying someone who wants to use you. That's why she has to prove to them that she is trustworthy and of good moral character and will be a good 'import' to the US who isn't going to abuse any laws or exploit you as the USC in any way.

It is really strange that your fiancee seems so nonchalant about this. As a real couple, you guys should be thinking about a 'Plan B' in case you're rejected. My husband and I have some 'red flags' as well as we have already discussed what we will do in case our case is turned down. Also, I've heard that even during the interview, the CO can ask the question: "What are your plans if you are not granted a visa?" so it would be good to prepare some kind of answer for that in case it pops up.

[RobertM54 36]

Just want to chime in here with one more thing. Sometimes the CO is trying to protect you, the USC, from marrying someone who wants to use you. That's why she has to prove to them that she is trustworthy and of good moral character and will be a good 'import' to the US who isn't going to abuse any laws or exploit you as the USC in any way.

Don't get me started. I do not want or need some junior bureaucrat to protect me from someone who wants to use me. Who was there to protect me from my ex? If it was the governments job to protect people from bad marriages, then I am sure the founders would have got it into the constitution. This whole process is a bizarre infringement on liberties the founders took for granted.

Then you place this "protection" in the context of the millions of illegals the administration allows to stay and continue to violate US law, and we see the stunning hypocrisy.