Horrible marriage interview.

[JayNarl 3]

Thank you!Everything here is the truth. We were treated unfairly and we don't know why? What caused this treatment?

Maybe it was when I hesitated at the first question when she asked who was Laura ****? Maybe it was when she realized that my husband was white. Maybe she was just having a bad day. Whatever the reason you don't treat people like this.

We have a lawyer who has handled cases like this and she is working on it.

This post was not to ask for sympathy or to point fingers at the immigration system. We posted this so that another couple Would not have to go through what we went through. They would know they could stop the interview and ask to speak to the district officer. Thank you for all your suggestions. All we can do now is wait for a second interview most likely a Stokes and let them see they were wrong in how they treated us.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

Actually, unless it has been recently changed, the field adjudicators manual does list short courtship as a red flag.

Yes, and being overly affectionate in public.

The OP has not given enough information so there is no way to really help them.

I will say overstay is not a red flag. But there could be other things; we'll have no way to know if the OP won't lay out the case.

[Cesar & Cata 35]

Actually, unless it has been recently changed, the field adjudicators manual does list short courtship as a red flag.

I can have 8 out of 10 red flags, and there is no way my rights will be trampled without me flipping out.

This was only acceptable when prisoners were gagged and taken to guantanamo bay.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

I can have 8 out of 10 red flags, and there is no way my rights will be trampled without me flipping out.

This was only acceptable when prisoners were gagged and taken to guantanamo bay.

Immigration is a privilege, not a right. You are not sure the tone of the officer, just what someone reported. Last I checked, "not getting talked sternly to" was not a right.

I have sympathy for the OP, but going off about rights etc is misplaced energy, I think. The best use of energy is to work on how to go forward.

[Cesar & Cata 35]

Immigration is a privilege, not a right. You are not sure the tone of the officer, just what someone reported. Last I checked, "not getting talked sternly to" was not a right.

I have sympathy for the OP, but going off about rights etc is misplaced energy, I think. The best use of energy is to work on how to go forward.

I go off of what the OP said and dont assume it was more or less than what was stated. If they felt harrassed because of race then I trust that is the case.

Their intent with posting this is not to find any resolution but rather to warn others of their rights, to know simply that no one in this country should harrassed because of race, gender, religion, or age under any circumstance (social, private, public, right, or privilege).

IMHO - No amount of energy is ever misplaced when fighting for/about civil rights and liberties garanteed in our constitution. Coming from a country that from time to time ignores these basic rights I feel its best to stir up hell rather than ignore this type of injustice (again assuming all was as stated by the OP).

[Lilyena 10]

I am still crying every night as I play the entire interview over in my head. What did we do wrong? No one deserves this treatment. My husband has slumped into a deep depression and I had to take him into the emergency room on Thursday evening. He has been crying ever since. I was forced to take control of the situation and admit him into an outpatient clinic. The doctors have signed his leave of absence from work and school. What hurts is that he was doing so well controlling the depression. Why should this one woman have power to torment innocent people?

Your story brought tears to my eyes. I love my husband more than anything and couldn't imagine being separated from him one second. Unfortunately some very frustrated people who have a little administrative are often working in places where they have the power to destroy other peoples lives, just out of jealousy and pure hate. This person is probably very unhappy in her life and can't stand to see other people happy. Racism, discrimination of any kind is still a big issue today. it's sad but true.

Good thing is, even if it is a long way for you now, there are laws against that. You both need to be extremeley strong, and don't give up. You have a lawyer. Don't worry and be patient. As scary and frustrating that it is, I am sure you will get over it. You can also bring public awareness on your case; contact non profit organizations who help new immigrants against abuses from administration, contact your local news paper etc....Make people sign a petition idk...People must know!

My prayers are with you. Our interview is in 8 days.....I hope we won't experience the same BS.

[asdfg 18]

IMHO - No amount of energy is ever misplaced when fighting for/about civil rights and liberties garanteed in our constitution. Coming from a country that from time to time ignores these basic rights I feel its best to stir up hell rather than ignore this type of injustice (again assuming all was as stated by the OP).

Very well said.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

I go off of what the OP said and dont assume it was more or less than what was stated. If they felt harrassed because of race then I trust that is the case.

Their intent with posting this is not to find any resolution but rather to warn others of their rights, to know simply that no one in this country should harrassed because of race, gender, religion, or age under any circumstance (social, private, public, right, or privilege).

IMHO - No amount of energy is ever misplaced when fighting for/about civil rights and liberties garanteed in our constitution. Coming from a country that from time to time ignores these basic rights I feel its best to stir up hell rather than ignore this type of injustice (again assuming all was as stated by the OP).

Race was not a factor in their treatment.

[Cesar & Cata 35]

Race was not a factor in their treatment.

Your still not following me, I read the initial post and in several instances the OP said he felt it was because they were a mixed race couple.

Either way, no one, under no circumstances does anyone need to be yelled at during any type of interview, be it right or privilege, be it immigration or welfare. The fact that someone has a rubber stamp and the authority to deny or approve an application, does not give them the right to mistreat other human beings.

[Justud 42]

WOW. speechless. I hope things work out for you and your family.

[VanessaTony 3,567]

Your still not following me, I read the initial post and in several instances the OP said he felt it was because they were a mixed race couple.

Either way, no one, under no circumstances does anyone need to be yelled at during any type of interview, be it right or privilege, be it immigration or welfare. The fact that someone has a rubber stamp and the authority to deny or approve an application, does not give them the right to mistreat other human beings.

You know "felt" isn't fact. The officer, by the writings of the OP, never mentioned race at any point in the interview.

I've said this before, but when someone is self-conscious about something they tend to see what might not be there. Take, for example, getting your hair cut. If it's some new radical change and you're not 100% sure about it, you might hear someone laughing behind you and wonder if it was about you, you might see your friends and they don't say anything about it so you think "well if they liked it they'd say right?". If you saw them whispering as you walked up you'd assume it was about your hair and it's just so awful.

The OP needs to stop looking at his race and her race as an issue. Look instead at the other things the officer did or said. Stop being indignant about what they THOUGHT she was implying and instead look at what she said.

From the OP its obvious there's a red flag somewhere. The OP hasn't posted what information they mailed with the application, only what information they brought with them to the interview. From the IO's point of view... 4 months after meeting a illegal alien (with around 2 years of overstay), the OP married her and then they filed AOS. They have 30 affidavits attesting to relationship but they don't really mean anything, especially if the IO believes the marriage was arranged so the illegal alien was able to remain in the US, because of COURSE the OP's wife's friends would say the marriage is legit, they don't want her to leave, and the OP's friends would lie so he gets money.

This Laura person seems to be a bit of a trip up so I'm wondering if this Laura person has ALSO filed some form of paperwork and is suspected of marrying simply to remain. It would make sense if they believe you're part of some immigration ring... in fact, in re-reading your OP this is what I think is happening. This Laura person seems to be important, then she mentions how is the OP supposed to support a kid which implies that she thinks money has changed hands, or the OP's wife is working illegally or something else. I believe they think this marriage is fraud, you're unable to work so you accepted the chance to marry an illegal alien and get paid to help her AOS. Perhaps you should also find out what's going on with the 30 people who did affidavits. If they are in the middle of a process, there could be something you don't know and the age old saying "be careful who your friends are" might be playing a part here...

[Cesar & Cata 35]

I guess I find it hard to believe someone would actually go to the trouble of posting on a forum like VJ if their story isnt truthful.

All my statements have been made assuming all relationship, marriage, etc, is done in good faith and that the adjudicator was in fact disrespectful and abusive. Thinking what if it were me, I married quick and would hate to be drilled in this manner.

I take the post as written by the OP, and if it is a scam I would hate to be in his shoes cause they will find out (and I hope sooner rather than later). I have no simpathy for people trying to take advantage of the immigration process.

Edited September 11, 2012 by Cesar & Cata

[JayNarl 3]

Husband here again. Vanessa&Tony. What we told her was clear and evident as I mentioned above and all evidence that supported the elements of a valid marriage under law and immigration law was overwhelming. Where would you derive such a fictitious statement about Laura? Laura was born in the United States of America, like her father before him and his father before him and so on. You need to focus more on an analytical perspective and stop trying to pick what ifs out of a paper and stop filling in what you believe is blanks with your own conclusions. Married for money? We both are poor. Just another false allegation that you are trying to post to the forum. We are renting from my parents because we are poor and trying to get on our feet. Does this sound familiar? Most couples start off with nothing and build a life, that is what normal marriages about. I don't know about you Vanessa, but we didn't marry for money. We both are poor and your accusations are out of line. I am going to kindly ask you to stop posting in this forum with such rude behavior. As for all others, we can on this forum so we could inform you of your rights and help you through the immigration process. We were very well prepared and as the American Citizen (husband) knew about my wife. I didn't even have to study for hours and hours. I know my wife because she is my best friend. Enough said.

You know "felt" isn't fact. The officer, by the writings of the OP, never mentioned race at any point in the interview.

I've said this before, but when someone is self-conscious about something they tend to see what might not be there. Take, for example, getting your hair cut. If it's some new radical change and you're not 100% sure about it, you might hear someone laughing behind you and wonder if it was about you, you might see your friends and they don't say anything about it so you think "well if they liked it they'd say right?". If you saw them whispering as you walked up you'd assume it was about your hair and it's just so awful.

The OP needs to stop looking at his race and her race as an issue. Look instead at the other things the officer did or said. Stop being indignant about what they THOUGHT she was implying and instead look at what she said.

From the OP its obvious there's a red flag somewhere. The OP hasn't posted what information they mailed with the application, only what information they brought with them to the interview. From the IO's point of view... 4 months after meeting a illegal alien (with around 2 years of overstay), the OP married her and then they filed AOS. They have 30 affidavits attesting to relationship but they don't really mean anything, especially if the IO believes the marriage was arranged so the illegal alien was able to remain in the US, because of COURSE the OP's wife's friends would say the marriage is legit, they don't want her to leave, and the OP's friends would lie so he gets money.

This Laura person seems to be a bit of a trip up so I'm wondering if this Laura person has ALSO filed some form of paperwork and is suspected of marrying simply to remain. It would make sense if they believe you're part of some immigration ring... in fact, in re-reading your OP this is what I think is happening. This Laura person seems to be important, then she mentions how is the OP supposed to support a kid which implies that she thinks money has changed hands, or the OP's wife is working illegally or something else. I believe they think this marriage is fraud, you're unable to work so you accepted the chance to marry an illegal alien and get paid to help her AOS. Perhaps you should also find out what's going on with the 30 people who did affidavits. If they are in the middle of a process, there could be something you don't know and the age old saying "be careful who your friends are" might be playing a part here...

[JayNarl 3]

Thanks Ceaser & Cata,

Husband here again. Thanks Ceaser & Cata. I was born in America and my family has been here since the Native Americans. I appreciate your support because as an American Citizen I was shocked at the treatment that we got in the interview. I sure hope nobody else has to go through what we went through. Remember you can always go out of the room and call your lawyer, or immediately ask for a supervisor. My only mistake was not calling a lawyer or getting a supervisor during the meeting and abruptly ending the meeting.

I guess I find it hard to believe someone would actually go to the trouble of posting on a forum like VJ if their story isnt truthful.

All my statements have been made assuming all relationship, marriage, etc, is done in good faith and that the adjudicator was in fact disrespectful and abusive. Thinking what if it were me, I married quick and would hate to be drilled in this manner.

I take the post as written by the OP, and if it is a scam I would hate to be in his shoes cause they will find out (and I hope sooner rather than later). I have no simpathy for people trying to take advantage of the immigration process.

[Ban Hammer 12,857]

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