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Well, I'm thinking about my trip and have someone beautiful meeting me at the airport. Her English is OK but she thought it good to have an interpreter with us for our first dinner so we start off right without misunderstandings. I thought that was a good idea as well, because with different cultures and language it's pretty to mess up.

So, the thing I'm thinking mainly is what happened with my previous K1 Visa and failed GC scam attempt on me by a Filpinia last year. I don't want to get into specifics, some here may already know the story and I just heard from USCIS that she has a pending deportation order on her head and they have not been able to contact her. What I was wondering is if one of you have a Ukraine mate that does translating and wouldn't mind translating my story maybe into a one/two page summary that I could hand my girl in person so she knows what and how that 2nd (short) marriage in my life happened. I'm not sure how comfy it would be to try and tell this odd story over dinner through an interpreter that has no idea of USCIS,K1,GC, etc., and I don't want to have confusion in the translation. Of course I don't want to hide ANYTHING...that's wrong and you don't start a relationship with lies. My guess is only a Ukraine girl that has knowledge of this VJ process might know how to word this correctly to make sure that I'm not portrayed as being something weird or put into a bad light because the interpreter in Ukraine doesn't know the process. The only people I can think of with this knowledge are Ukraine wives that have been through the VJ. I'm more worried about sitting at the table with an interpreter and my lady, and looking at both of them with confused looks on their faces when I tell them something like... "ummm I spent a year in LD relationship, did the K1, this girl took off from me 5 days after being in the US, she posted a profile on Filipinaheart a week later and ended up moving in with her boyfriend few months later, and HE called me way back in Sept to ask me to file her 865 so she could stay in the US". :bonk:

Of course I want to pay for the translation. I just think maybe having this story written by someone who knows this process and having it in Russian/Ukraine would make it easier for a girl over there to understand.

Thanks :help:

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I think that you don't need a translator for the first dinner together. Just take some time to enjoy each other's company and if then you find that you want to move on in the process you can find a way to tell her.


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Thanks, maybe I'm thinking too hard about this... :blush:

dont think toomuch about that VISA process,first thing to do is to enjoy your company with her,and have the quality time together with your woman before you proceed the next step.


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Have you tried Google translate? You could also make sure you have dictionary available for any hard words. I know there's a google translate app on the iPhone/iPods now (I have it).

I think a translator is a good idea BUT I would worry it would make it less possible to be relaxed with each other and just to see how it feels.

When it comes to Russian/Ukraine scams the main ones are:

1. Have you pay for the visa process or THINK you're paying for it (hotel stays, medical bills etc) but in actuality none of that is happening and she's using you for money (one guy paid for her rent on her apartment and even came here about the strange "rejection notice" she forwarded him that she was apparently sent by the embassy and he found out it was fake and she never even went to the interview)

2. Get to the US, marry you, cry abuse, you get arrested, they get GC and you get a police record (one girl actually had her kid involved. The kid punched her and scratched her after the guy ran outside and called the cops. When the cops arrived SHE was the one that had marks everywhere and you can imagine what happened after that)

Please be careful. I'm sure you'll do whatever feels right. I would skip the translator the first day, see how it feels.. you can always get someone to translate later :) I think mentioning simply "I was scammed" is good enough for now. Don't want to give her ideas :S

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Thanks, maybe I'm thinking too hard about this... :blush:

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Short and sweet sounds good...at least for now and during your first date! Remember to take it easy and try not to jump into something sudden as you had such a horrible experience with your ex. What happened with the Colombian friend who was there to support you after the filipina wife debuckle? Nothing happened there?

At any rate, best wishes and enjoy your upcoming trip. Try to see things with cool eyes and heart so you will not be hurt and taken advantage of again. I know it is easier said than done, so good luck! (F)


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Or should I even be worried??? Maybe short and sweet... I was scammed. :wacko:

Alla does translations, but I think it is not necessary. You need to be clear up front that there could be misunderstandings and do not get offended in such cases. If it is clear from the outset that neither of you intends to say anything bad, what's the problem?

I met and dated a lot of Ukrainian women and never had a problem. I wouldn't be spending too much time discussing former girlfriends or your defense mechanisms. That is not going to win any points with a Ukrainian woman. I wouldn't dwell on history so much.


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Well, I'm thinking about my trip and have someone beautiful meeting me at the airport. Her English is OK but she thought it good to have an interpreter with us for our first dinner so we start off right without misunderstandings. I thought that was a good idea as well, because with different cultures and language it's pretty to mess up.

So, the thing I'm thinking mainly is what happened with my previous K1 Visa and failed GC scam attempt on me by a Filpinia last year. I don't want to get into specifics, some here may already know the story and I just heard from USCIS that she has a pending deportation order on her head and they have not been able to contact her. What I was wondering is if one of you have a Ukraine mate that does translating and wouldn't mind translating my story maybe into a one/two page summary that I could hand my girl in person so she knows what and how that 2nd (short) marriage in my life happened. I'm not sure how comfy it would be to try and tell this odd story over dinner through an interpreter that has no idea of USCIS,K1,GC, etc., and I don't want to have confusion in the translation. Of course I don't want to hide ANYTHING...that's wrong and you don't start a relationship with lies. My guess is only a Ukraine girl that has knowledge of this VJ process might know how to word this correctly to make sure that I'm not portrayed as being something weird or put into a bad light because the interpreter in Ukraine doesn't know the process. The only people I can think of with this knowledge are Ukraine wives that have been through the VJ. I'm more worried about sitting at the table with an interpreter and my lady, and looking at both of them with confused looks on their faces when I tell them something like... "ummm I spent a year in LD relationship, did the K1, this girl took off from me 5 days after being in the US, she posted a profile on Filipinaheart a week later and ended up moving in with her boyfriend few months later, and HE called me way back in Sept to ask me to file her 865 so she could stay in the US". :bonk:

Of course I want to pay for the translation. I just think maybe having this story written by someone who knows this process and having it in Russian/Ukraine would make it easier for a girl over there to understand.

Thanks :help:

Johnny, if you met this woman through an agency, be cautious of this kind of thing. The agencies like to offer lots of "services", for a fee of course. I am NOT saying the woman is insincere, I am saying they get pressured to "sell" you something by someone they consider to have done a service for them. Like the guy at Lowe's that tries to sell you the "protection plan" for your new tractor. He couldn't care less about it himself.

Agencies will offer apartment rentals, translators, drivers, offer to translate your emails, etc. You can do any of this yourself for 1/3 to 1/2 the price. My landlord in Odessa had an agency and did all this. I am not saying he was a bad guy, he wasn't. It was not a scam, but it was not "necessary". He did deliver what he charged for. He had a lot of American and Brotosh men staying in the building where I lived and he would always tell them to drop by so they could "speak English" :lol: I never said a bad word or heard a bad word about him. But I know the women were encouraged to use the "services" and he would convince many of them that they needed these services also.


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Well, I'm thinking about my trip and have someone beautiful meeting me at the airport. Her English is OK but she thought it good to have an interpreter with us for our first dinner so we start off right without misunderstandings. I thought that was a good idea as well, because with different cultures and language it's pretty to mess up.

So, the thing I'm thinking mainly is what happened with my previous K1 Visa and failed GC scam attempt on me by a Filpinia last year. I don't want to get into specifics, some here may already know the story and I just heard from USCIS that she has a pending deportation order on her head and they have not been able to contact her. What I was wondering is if one of you have a Ukraine mate that does translating and wouldn't mind translating my story maybe into a one/two page summary that I could hand my girl in person so she knows what and how that 2nd (short) marriage in my life happened. I'm not sure how comfy it would be to try and tell this odd story over dinner through an interpreter that has no idea of USCIS,K1,GC, etc., and I don't want to have confusion in the translation. Of course I don't want to hide ANYTHING...that's wrong and you don't start a relationship with lies. My guess is only a Ukraine girl that has knowledge of this VJ process might know how to word this correctly to make sure that I'm not portrayed as being something weird or put into a bad light because the interpreter in Ukraine doesn't know the process. The only people I can think of with this knowledge are Ukraine wives that have been through the VJ. I'm more worried about sitting at the table with an interpreter and my lady, and looking at both of them with confused looks on their faces when I tell them something like... "ummm I spent a year in LD relationship, did the K1, this girl took off from me 5 days after being in the US, she posted a profile on Filipinaheart a week later and ended up moving in with her boyfriend few months later, and HE called me way back in Sept to ask me to file her 865 so she could stay in the US". :bonk:

Of course I want to pay for the translation. I just think maybe having this story written by someone who knows this process and having it in Russian/Ukraine would make it easier for a girl over there to understand.

Thanks :help:

Ok, some other stuff.

Do not assume that they do not know about the visa process. You will be surprised to learn that many Ukrainians know how it works, either from a friend or the hairdresser or someone. They also have some bad infoirmation, but you do not need to know that at this point anyway.

Ukrainian woman are not like Filipinas. When was the last time you saw postings from Ukrainian women asking about the process? They rely on you to do that and they will do whatever they have to. You tell her what to do when the time comes, and she will do it. Do not worry about it. You won't find Ukrainian women posting in the whiners forum. Nor are they asking if a blemish on their keeshka (do NOT use that word with your Ukrainian friend on the first date :lol: ) will prevent them from passing the medical.

DO NOT be spending your time talking about how you were scammed by another woman. This woman wants to be THE woman, the ONLY woman. She does not care about history (Ukrainian hstory gets changed every few years anyway) she cares about YOU and the future. They always "look ahead". Look ahead, Johnny. Better to see where you are going than where you have been.


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Oh god dont use google translator..i laugh when american friends translate something into german on there and send it to me because the sentences make no sence..They really arent reliable.


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keeshka (do NOT use that word with your Ukrainian friend on the first date :lol: )

That means "cat" in Ukrainian (if the stress falls on the 1st syllable), so he's fine even if he uses it. In Russian it's something way different though :lol:

DO NOT be spending your time talking about how you were scammed by another woman. This woman wants to be THE woman, the ONLY woman. She does not care about history (Ukrainian hstory gets changed every few years anyway) she cares about YOU and the future. They always "look ahead". Look ahead, Johnny. Better to see where you are going than where you have been.

That's right. I would say - even if she asks, don't be telling her too much.


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That means "cat" in Ukrainian (if the stress falls on the 1st syllable), so he's fine even if he uses it. In Russian it's something way different though :lol:

That's right. I would say - even if she asks, don't be telling her too much.

Seems innocent enough, yes? :lol:


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Well, I'm thinking about my trip a I just think maybe having this story written by someone who knows this process and having it in Russian/Ukraine would make it easier for a girl over there to understand.

Thanks :help:

OK.....let me vet out a few facts.

You are planning a trip.....to meet a lady.......who you have known for how long?

If you are taking the trip so early in your relationship....such that this very major information hasn't already come up in conversation....IMHO, you are traveling too soon.

Or.....if your communications with each other are so basic, because of language....then I think also that your are overstepping the bounds by thinking of visas and marriage at this early stage of your relationship.

IMO, this information should have already been communicated to the lady......and definately not during the first dinner. Are you nuts?


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That means "cat" in Ukrainian (if the stress falls on the 1st syllable), so he's fine even if he uses it. In Russian it's something way different though :lol:

That's right. I would say - even if she asks, don't be telling her too much.

In addition to the fact that hearing about another woman is not attractive, the fact you were "scammed" is not going to make you seem too attractive either.

Men should not be tricked by silly women. She is looking for a MAN who will make decisions, take control, be clever, make a good living, and give her a "quiet", safe life. She will do her job as a woman. She needs a man who can do a man's job. He earns a living, cares about his family, doesn't get drunk and abusive, doesn't pay attention to other women, devotes himself to his family. She is looking for a husband, father, lover, and handyman. No big deal, any real man can do it.

If you come in and tell her how you were tricked by the silly Philippina (who doesn't speak English well and probably is not well educated)what does that tell her about your ability to provide for her and her children (if she doesn't have children already, she wants them)

As much as we hear about the hot, sexy, educated, high-heel-wearing FSU woman who gives herself to her husband for his pleasure...that sword cuts both ways and she has expectations of the man also. Chief among those, at least in my experience and certainly with Alla...SHE is number one (and ONLY).

Women can panic, men cannot. Women can be scared, men cannot. Women can be unsure and worried, men cannot. Women can get frustrated, hysterical, men cannot. Just be comfortable, confident (not boastful) and assure her that you understand that you do not know each others' languages so well and that if something is said wrong, there is no hard feelings. Even when she learns English well, you will need to be prepared for the fact that FSU women are direct and blunt and consider it rude not to be direct and blunt. Deal with it. :lol:


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