My child with fiance enough proof of relationship?

[Lisa and Kano 2]

First off, I just found this site and am THRILLED to see the resources available. I just sent in the 129F and am glad to see I am not alone.

My fiance and I have an 18 month old son. I included his birth certificate in the packet as proof that we have met in person (duh...). Will that be enough or will we be asked for further proof of a relationship (ie photos, plane tickets, etc)?

[Saddle Bronc 124]

Given that you are dealing with bureaucrats, "better-safe-than-sorry" approach is warranted--so include all (plane tickets, photos, ...).

[Blob18 111]

First off, I just found this site and am THRILLED to see the resources available. I just sent in the 129F and am glad to see I am not alone.

My fiance and I have an 18 month old son. I included his birth certificate in the packet as proof that we have met in person (duh...). Will that be enough or will we be asked for further proof of a relationship (ie photos, plane tickets, etc)?

If the only thing you added for proof of relationship was your childs birth certificate you will more than likely be asked for more proof in an RFE. Proof such as plane tickets, passport stamps, hotel reciepts, among other things.

Edited December 7, 2010 by Blob18

[sara..... 371]

because you might get someone that just adds 9+18 and comes up with 27 you need more proof that you have met with in the last two years.......at the interview you will need more than proof of a child together to show an on going relationship such as chats.......phone calls.....tickets from visits and pictures......

sara

Edited December 7, 2010 by sara.....

[baron555 934]

Fathering a child is not proof of meeting in person. Artificial insemination may have been used and therefore you physically don't need to be there in person for that. Don't try to make a uncomplicated thing too complicated. Also don't try to be cute in this process, follow the norm and provide what all folks do.

[pushbrk 12,174]

First off, I just found this site and am THRILLED to see the resources available. I just sent in the 129F and am glad to see I am not alone.

My fiance and I have an 18 month old son. I included his birth certificate in the packet as proof that we have met in person (duh...). Will that be enough or will we be asked for further proof of a relationship (ie photos, plane tickets, etc)?

Your name on the child's birth certificate is good evidence of a bona fide ongoing relationship, provided you also included primary evidence of meeting in person, such as boarding passes and passport stamps. If you did not include this primary evidence, be ready for USCIS to request it.

[Lisa and Kano 2]

Fathering a child is not proof of meeting in person. Artificial insemination may have been used and therefore you physically don't need to be there in person for that. Don't try to make a uncomplicated thing too complicated. Also don't try to be cute in this process, follow the norm and provide what all folks do.

that's pretty extreme, doubt they'd assume that.

Your name on the child's birth certificate is good evidence of a bona fide ongoing relationship, provided you also included primary evidence of meeting in person, such as boarding passes and passport stamps. If you did not include this primary evidence, be ready for USCIS to request it.

good info. thanks.

[pushbrk 12,174]

that's pretty extreme, doubt they'd assume that.

It's not a matter of assumption. The burden is on you to provide primary evidence of meeting in person and your name on a child's birth certificate doesn't qualify as that primary evidence. Period.

[matt&tara 13]

lol boarding passes only show that you visited the persons COUNTRY. same with stamps. yet those are considered primary evidence and a birth certificate showing you had a kid together wouldn't be? hilarious.

[Kristy S 13]

did he sign the birth certificate it is notarized that it is in fact his signature? i know lots of women that just put a guys name on their kids birth certificate and the guy had no idea. as well as the fact that just because he is willing to put his name on it doesn't mean it's actually his kid. they don't do dna tests when someone signs a birth certificate.

[pushbrk 12,174]

lol boarding passes only show that you visited the persons COUNTRY. same with stamps. yet those are considered primary evidence and a birth certificate showing you had a kid together wouldn't be? hilarious.

That is correct. USCIS sets the standard and boarding passes and/or passport stamps indicating the couple was in the same country at the same time is their standard. What would you suggest as an alternative standard? The reason the US Citizen's name on a birth certificate is not primary evidence of being together in person is that in many countries, the name can get on the birth certificate even if the stated father isn't the father. If they were in the same country, primary evidence was available at some time. If lost, that's another problem but the parent named on the birth certificate in and of itself is not primary evidence.

[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

In many foreign countries the fathers names is taken for granted and you could be on a birth certificate without even donating sperm. The fact you include as proof may be begging for a request for DNA testing to prove it.

[Aztec&Taino 144]

First off, I just found this site and am THRILLED to see the resources available. I just sent in the 129F and am glad to see I am not alone.

My fiance and I have an 18 month old son. I included his birth certificate in the packet as proof that we have met in person (duh...). Will that be enough or will we be asked for further proof of a relationship (ie photos, plane tickets, etc)?

I hope you included copies of your passport stamps showing you entering Chile within the last two years plus boarding passes... If the birth certificate is the only proof you submitted, you might be in trouble. Even if they accept you as the father of the child without a DNA test, conception would have happened MORE than two years ago... The form is clear in stating that you should have met, in person, within the last two years.

Best wishes!

[VanessaTony 3,567]

First off, I just found this site and am THRILLED to see the resources available. I just sent in the 129F and am glad to see I am not alone.

My fiance and I have an 18 month old son. I included his birth certificate in the packet as proof that we have met in person (duh...). Will that be enough or will we be asked for further proof of a relationship (ie photos, plane tickets, etc)?

No the birth certificate isn't enough as others stated conception is more than 2 years ago, unless you're stating that his signature is on the birth certificate and that's your evidence. Either way it's not considered adequate evidence that I've ever seen.

As others stated, the paperwork required proof of having met in person in the last 2 years. The standard for this is passport stamps, and ticket stubs, as well as photos together.

The thing is, as I wrote on another thread, I can't remember ever reading someone getting an RFE during the K1 petition (pre-NOA2) process. Usually if you do not meet requirements then they will just deny you and you will need to apply again, which is what I think will happen to you. I'm hoping someone will come in and tell me that RFE's are possible during the petition process because I honestly can't find or remember anything.

Edited December 7, 2010 by Vanessa&Tony

[pushbrk 12,174]

No the birth certificate isn't enough as others stated conception is more than 2 years ago, unless you're stating that his signature is on the birth certificate and that's your evidence. Either way it's not considered adequate evidence that I've ever seen.

As others stated, the paperwork required proof of having met in person in the last 2 years. The standard for this is passport stamps, and ticket stubs, as well as photos together.

The thing is, as I wrote on another thread, I can't remember ever reading someone getting an RFE during the K1 petition (pre-NOA2) process. Usually if you do not meet requirements then they will just deny you and you will need to apply again, which is what I think will happen to you. I'm hoping someone will come in and tell me that RFE's are possible during the petition process because I honestly can't find or remember anything.

An RFE is definitely possible during the petition process, including an RFE for primary evidence of meeting in person. (Actually, the term RFE really only applies to USCIS and petitions. We sometimes refer to checklist requests from NVC as RFE's and even blue slip denials from Consulates as RFE's but in actuality on USCIS issues formal notices as a Request For Evidence.

If after receiving the RFE, the petitioner does not or is not able to respond adequately, the petition will be denied.