Extremely important for newbies K1 visa

[sha3shabon 0]

Dear all,

USCIS don't care about pictures. They said the pics are secondary evidence and they have to be film dated not HAND dated. They also said in the RFE that emails, chats, phone bills, bills...are irrelevant and unacceptable. They also said Flight itineraries and undated boarding passes are not acceptable. Finally, they said please submit copies of passport pages showing name and stamped entries to the beneficiary's country. I suppose dated boarding passes are acceptable. This is extremely important as I didn't know this stuff when I first submitted and got a RFE. I don't think anybody should get RFE for something like this. So guys, listen, I told you this exactly from my RFE paper. Hope my RFE becomes NOA2 now.

Have fun.

[Lisamarie 79]

I didn't know that either, thank you for sharing. I was so concerned with emails, chats, pictures, itineraries, etc. when I filed. I didn't put the pages of my passport in, but I didn't see in any instructions anywhere to do that...unless I missed it which is very possible... I did put copies of my boarding passes. We got our RFE last week, an extensive one, and we are working on it. I hope and pray it turns into the NOA2. And best wishes for you, I hope you get the approval. Good luck:)

Dear all,

USCIS don't care about pictures. They said the pics are secondary evidence and they have to be film dated not HAND dated. They also said in the RFE that emails, chats, phone bills, bills...are irrelevant and unacceptable. They also said Flight itineraries and undated boarding passes are not acceptable. Finally, they said please submit copies of passport pages showing name and stamped entries to the beneficiary's country. I suppose dated boarding passes are acceptable. This is extremely important as I didn't know this stuff when I first submitted and got a RFE. I don't think anybody should get RFE for something like this. So guys, listen, I told you this exactly from my RFE paper. Hope my RFE becomes NOA2 now.

Have fun.

[VanessaTony 3,567]

USCIS don't care about pictures. They said the pics are secondary evidence and they have to be film dated not HAND dated. They also said in the RFE that emails, chats, phone bills, bills...are irrelevant and unacceptable. They also said Flight itineraries and undated boarding passes are not acceptable. Finally, they said please submit copies of passport pages showing name and stamped entries to the beneficiary's country. I suppose dated boarding passes are acceptable. This is extremely important as I didn't know this stuff when I first submitted and got a RFE. I don't think anybody should get RFE for something like this. So guys, listen, I told you this exactly from my RFE paper. Hope my RFE becomes NOA2 now.

I've never heard of anyone having issues with hand dated pics.. mainly because it's so easy to manipulate the digital date on the pics it's kinda silly to digitally put it there anyway, either way yes, photos are secondary evidence.

Flight itineraries are fine if send in conjuction with DATED boarding passes (showing you actually check in), and the stamp from your passport shows that you landed in the US. I'm sure there are threads about this somewhere because it's constantly talked about.

I'm sorry you got the RFE but proof of meeting means you need to prove WHEN you met. Sending undated boarding passes, hand-dated pics, and that's all is worthless. Chat logs etc aren't required until interview because all they need NOW is proof that you met in the last two years. You need to think like someone who isn't you. Show it to a friend, does this prove we met in the last 2 years? Pics? No. Undated passes? No. Dated passes? No. just proves you checked in. Passport stamp? Proves you landed in US. Put passport stamp, boarding passes and pics together and it's closer to proof you've met in person.

We sent boarding passes (x 6), 4 photos, flight itinerary and stamp from my passport (plus biographic page). no problems.

Edited November 23, 2010 by Vanessa&Tony

[SimplyMacy 4]

Dear all,

USCIS don't care about pictures. They said the pics are secondary evidence and they have to be film dated not HAND dated. They also said in the RFE that emails, chats, phone bills, bills...are irrelevant and unacceptable. They also said Flight itineraries and undated boarding passes are not acceptable. Finally, they said please submit copies of passport pages showing name and stamped entries to the beneficiary's country. I suppose dated boarding passes are acceptable. This is extremely important as I didn't know this stuff when I first submitted and got a RFE. I don't think anybody should get RFE for something like this. So guys, listen, I told you this exactly from my RFE paper. Hope my RFE becomes NOA2 now.

Have fun.

They are asking for (highlighted above) bcoz they are trying to find the proof that you have met within 2 years. About pictures, they dont really focus their attention to that bcoz in modern ways now you can make a picture of you together without seeing each other in reality. I really hope you'll receive your NOA2 soon! Hang on there, it's coming your way!

[Lisamarie 79]

Well we filed the CR1 not the K1 but I looked at both guides and they say "Copy of the full Birth certificate (front and back) for the US Citizen or a copy of ALL pages of the US Citizen's passport. This is used to establish citizenship". That's what I went by...I put my birth certificate in the file but not the passport.

Dear all,

USCIS don't care about pictures. They said the pics are secondary evidence and they have to be film dated not HAND dated. They also said in the RFE that emails, chats, phone bills, bills...are irrelevant and unacceptable. They also said Flight itineraries and undated boarding passes are not acceptable. Finally, they said please submit copies of passport pages showing name and stamped entries to the beneficiary's country. I suppose dated boarding passes are acceptable. This is extremely important as I didn't know this stuff when I first submitted and got a RFE. I don't think anybody should get RFE for something like this. So guys, listen, I told you this exactly from my RFE paper. Hope my RFE becomes NOA2 now.

Have fun.

[Lisamarie 79]

But your post has really made me think...my birth certificate has a seal on the back, no color, is very hard to see unless feeling for it. I tried to copy it on colored paper and that didn't work so I sent the original. They may not have seen the seal and also having no copies of passport photos might have caused the problem...quote name='Lisamarie' timestamp='1290493062' post='4306985']

Well we filed the CR1 not the K1 but I looked at both guides and they say "Copy of the full Birth certificate (front and back) for the US Citizen or a copy of ALL pages of the US Citizen's passport. This is used to establish citizenship". That's what I went by...I put my birth certificate in the file but not the passport.

[VanessaTony 3,567]

But your post has really made me think...my birth certificate has a seal on the back, no color, is very hard to see unless feeling for it. I tried to copy it on colored paper and that didn't work so I sent the original. They may not have seen the seal and also having no copies of passport photos might have caused the problem...

Well we filed the CR1 not the K1 but I looked at both guides and they say "Copy of the full Birth certificate (front and back) for the US Citizen or a copy of ALL pages of the US Citizen's passport. This is used to establish citizenship". That's what I went by...I put my birth certificate in the file but not the passport.

What does this have to do with the OP? I'm not trying to be rude i'm just wondering why you're talking about a birth certificate...

Also, you sent your ORIGINAL birth certificate? I hope you have started the process to get a new one, you won't be getting that one back.

**Edit - you're talking proof of citizenship, the OP is talking about proof of having met. The OP sent copies of the passport pages showing his passport stamps. Also proves citizenship (as long as the bio page is included) but the OP didn't tell us if he also sent a COPY of his birth cert

Edited November 23, 2010 by Vanessa&Tony

[Lisamarie 79]

Because he put that information out there to help all of us....

Yeah I sent my original birth certificate, I had no choice as the copy doesn't show the seal, and it's not that hard to get another, I did it for my driver's license when I moved from state to state, did it for this, no big deal...

I was just stating that the guides say to send a birth certificate or all copies of the pages of the passport....and I don't know if he sent his birth certificate or not...I was just thinking out loud.

What does this have to do with the OP? I'm not trying to be rude i'm just wondering why you're talking about a birth certificate...

Also, you sent your ORIGINAL birth certificate? I hope you have started the process to get a new one, you won't be getting that one back.

**Edit - you're talking proof of citizenship, the OP is talking about proof of having met. The OP sent copies of the passport pages showing his passport stamps. Also proves citizenship (as long as the bio page is included) but the OP didn't tell us if he also sent a COPY of his birth cert

Edited November 23, 2010 by Lisamarie

[Grant-Hyunjung 0]

Very interesting thread...

Just an idea, but they may be looking at the date printed on the back of the photos by the lab.

Now...that wouldn't be smart since you can just get negatives reprocessed!

I will focus on receipts, boarding passes and VISA stamps! I want to file on Friday. ^^

I've never heard of anyone having issues with hand dated pics.. mainly because it's so easy to manipulate the digital date on the pics it's kinda silly to digitally put it there anyway, either way yes, photos are secondary evidence.

Flight itineraries are fine if send in conjuction with DATED boarding passes (showing you actually check in), and the stamp from your passport shows that you landed in the US. I'm sure there are threads about this somewhere because it's constantly talked about.

I'm sorry you got the RFE but proof of meeting means you need to prove WHEN you met. Sending undated boarding passes, hand-dated pics, and that's all is worthless. Chat logs etc aren't required until interview because all they need NOW is proof that you met in the last two years. You need to think like someone who isn't you. Show it to a friend, does this prove we met in the last 2 years? Pics? No. Undated passes? No. Dated passes? No. just proves you checked in. Passport stamp? Proves you landed in US. Put passport stamp, boarding passes and pics together and it's closer to proof you've met in person.

We sent boarding passes (x 6), 4 photos, flight itinerary and stamp from my passport (plus biographic page). no problems.

[Grant-Hyunjung 0]

Very interesting thread...

Just an idea, but they may be looking at the date printed on the back of the photos by the lab.

Now...that wouldn't be smart since you can just get negatives reprocessed!

I will focus on receipts, boarding passes and VISA stamps! I want to file on Friday. ^^

I've never heard of anyone having issues with hand dated pics.. mainly because it's so easy to manipulate the digital date on the pics it's kinda silly to digitally put it there anyway, either way yes, photos are secondary evidence.

Flight itineraries are fine if send in conjuction with DATED boarding passes (showing you actually check in), and the stamp from your passport shows that you landed in the US. I'm sure there are threads about this somewhere because it's constantly talked about.

I'm sorry you got the RFE but proof of meeting means you need to prove WHEN you met. Sending undated boarding passes, hand-dated pics, and that's all is worthless. Chat logs etc aren't required until interview because all they need NOW is proof that you met in the last two years. You need to think like someone who isn't you. Show it to a friend, does this prove we met in the last 2 years? Pics? No. Undated passes? No. Dated passes? No. just proves you checked in. Passport stamp? Proves you landed in US. Put passport stamp, boarding passes and pics together and it's closer to proof you've met in person.

We sent boarding passes (x 6), 4 photos, flight itinerary and stamp from my passport (plus biographic page). no problems.

[thelastpetitioner 218]

Because he put that information out there to help all of us....

Yeah I sent my original birth certificate, I had no choice as the copy doesn't show the seal, and it's not that hard to get another, I did it for my driver's license when I moved from state to state, did it for this, no big deal...

I was just stating that the guides say to send a birth certificate or all copies of the pages of the passport....and I don't know if he sent his birth certificate or not...I was just thinking out loud.

a high resolution full color copy would have.we have very delicate stamps in our birth certificates,and while it wasnt necessary i did add copies of his and my passport,all pages,with my birth certificate.we used a high resolution black and white copy,the stamps still showed

[rsn 135]

Dear all,

USCIS don't care about pictures. They said the pics are secondary evidence and they have to be film dated not HAND dated. They also said in the RFE that emails, chats, phone bills, bills...are irrelevant and unacceptable. They also said Flight itineraries and undated boarding passes are not acceptable. Finally, they said please submit copies of passport pages showing name and stamped entries to the beneficiary's country. I suppose dated boarding passes are acceptable. This is extremely important as I didn't know this stuff when I first submitted and got a RFE. I don't think anybody should get RFE for something like this. So guys, listen, I told you this exactly from my RFE paper. Hope my RFE becomes NOA2 now.

Have fun.

Film-dated photos are NOT required, and, in fact, no better than hand-dated photos. As someone said earlier, it is trivial to overlay an incorrect date on a photo. Please post a scanned image of your RFE.

Edited November 23, 2010 by rsn

[pushbrk 12,975]

I've never heard of anyone having issues with hand dated pics.. mainly because it's so easy to manipulate the digital date on the pics it's kinda silly to digitally put it there anyway, either way yes, photos are secondary evidence.

Flight itineraries are fine if send in conjuction with DATED boarding passes (showing you actually check in), and the stamp from your passport shows that you landed in the US. I'm sure there are threads about this somewhere because it's constantly talked about.

I'm sorry you got the RFE but proof of meeting means you need to prove WHEN you met. Sending undated boarding passes, hand-dated pics, and that's all is worthless. Chat logs etc aren't required until interview because all they need NOW is proof that you met in the last two years. You need to think like someone who isn't you. Show it to a friend, does this prove we met in the last 2 years? Pics? No. Undated passes? No. Dated passes? No. just proves you checked in. Passport stamp? Proves you landed in US. Put passport stamp, boarding passes and pics together and it's closer to proof you've met in person.

We sent boarding passes (x 6), 4 photos, flight itinerary and stamp from my passport (plus biographic page). no problems.

"Film dated photographs" do not come from a digital camera.

You, and commonly others, have confused two separate issues. The instant context here is evidence of meeting in person within two years. For that purpose, photographs that are not film dated, flight itineraries and communication evidence are worthless. All boarding passes are dated. USCIS accepts copies of boarding passes as evidence of meeting in person if the flight landed or took off from the country of residence of either the beneficiary or petitioner. Common sense would tell you that passport stamps are better evidence but in many cases, the stamps don't actually appear on a page that also contains the name of the traveler.

Evidence of the relationship is not mentioned by USCIS at the petition stage because they aren't asking for any in a fiancee case. People include it so the Consular officer is likely to see it prior to the interview. It's a tactic, not a requirement.

Edited November 23, 2010 by pushbrk

[kennym 275]

All

I beleive the reason for the RFE is obvious... There isn't any suggestion that photos alone are sufficient evidense of meeting in person in the last 2 years.. It has always been secondary evidense.. nothing has changed from USCIS Perspective.. Primary Evidense is Boarding Passes, Passport stamps, hotel & Credit Card Reciepts.. Photos are necessary, but is secondary evidense and should never be excluded from you initial submittal..

As far as birth certificates, it is the same as always.. Copies are fine.. If they need the original, they will ask for it at the interview.. Always send copies of your personal documents and evidense. The originals can be shown at the Interview...

Repeat:

Nothing has changed.. it appears the confusion is with the OP thinking that photos were sufficient proof of meeting in person in the last two years.. Photos alone has never been considered as primary evidence...

Repeat for all new-members: Nothing has changed..

ONE OTHER CRUCIAL DISTINCTION IS:

THere is a huge diference between "proof of meeting in person within the last 2 years" and "Proof of ongoing relationship"... To be succesful, you must keep that distinction clear and separate..

You need to show proof of Meeting in Person within the last two years for your Initial Petition (I-129-F) This include both Primary Proof and Secondary Proof..

Then after the Petition is approved...

You will need to show proof of On-going relationship to the Conusalte Officer durring the interview.. You will also need forms of Primary Proof as well as forms of secondary proof...

Any Questions?

Edited November 23, 2010 by kennym

[Aztec&Taino 144]

Dear all,

USCIS don't care about pictures. They said the pics are secondary evidence and they have to be film dated not HAND dated. They also said in the RFE that emails, chats, phone bills, bills...are irrelevant and unacceptable. They also said Flight itineraries and undated boarding passes are not acceptable. Finally, they said please submit copies of passport pages showing name and stamped entries to the beneficiary's country. I suppose dated boarding passes are acceptable. This is extremely important as I didn't know this stuff when I first submitted and got a RFE. I don't think anybody should get RFE for something like this. So guys, listen, I told you this exactly from my RFE paper. Hope my RFE becomes NOA2 now.

Have fun.

Thank you for sharing with us, but what did you send in your original submission? I think it has been said, many, many times on the forum's posts that petitioners should focus on primary evidence and we always recommend sending copies of passports showing the country stamps. Aside from that, boarding passes are good evidence (I have yet to see a boarding pass with no date!). As for the rest (pictures, e-mails, chat logs, phone calls, etc.) we have also said that it is secondary evidence and does not help establish the main purpose (meeting in person within the last two years), but perhaps nice to have -particularly in difficult, high-fraud countries. I hope your RFE is accepted quickly and your petition is approved.

Best wishes!

I didn't know that either, thank you for sharing. I was so concerned with emails, chats, pictures, itineraries, etc. when I filed. I didn't put the pages of my passport in, but I didn't see in any instructions anywhere to do that...unless I missed it which is very possible... I did put copies of my boarding passes. We got our RFE last week, an extensive one, and we are working on it. I hope and pray it turns into the NOA2. And best wishes for you, I hope you get the approval. Good luck:)

Do you mind sharing with us your "extensive" RFE?