border jumpers

[PhiLandShiR 18]

I'm talking about FICA payroll taxes. I'm talking about penalties they will pay for not providing health care under the new legislation. I'm talking about the complications of HR that come from actually having to document your workers. In business in America, the rule of thumb is that every dollar you spend in wages to your workers is matched in overhead associated with that worker. There are many exceptions, but raising wages to minimum wage and hiring documented workers adds a lot more cost than the simple difference in wages.

If the employees are not full time they may be able to escape these costs.

I would think that raising wages to minimum wage and hiring documented workers should be something they better be doing all along...

Edited March 26, 2010 by PhiLandShiR

[VisaJourneyLady 33]

However, we could opt to live in Ireland (Republic of, not Northern). I literally get on a plane, land, rent a house, get a job and require absolutely no paperwork. I can do this as an EU citizen. My USC spouse gets on a plane bound for Dublin, with our marriage certificate and when he lands, announces that he's joining his EU wife. 90 days VWP and all he has to do by the expiration is pop into our local police station and register as resident there. Couple of weeks later, he gets a resident's permit through the door. No visa, no EAD, no AP...

Exactly where did you get this information? It is categorically wrong. You would do well not to spread your misinformation around this board. A non-EU family member, wishing to remain in Ireland based on their family relationship to an EU Citizen must apply to the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service and furnish an application. This is a very similar application to one that someone would provide in the same circumstance in the UK.

[Dan T 8]

Its funny that you mention water. That is one resource that is dwindling in the US. I think you could argue we have actually surpassed the US capacity. Our corporate farming methods are not sustainable. There are multiple states that are having water issues not to mention topsoil erosion is also a lingering issue. Then you have large mono-cultures of crops that are just begging for devastation from any number of sources which could cause serious food shortages. This is just the tip of the iceberg really....our whole farming system is very petrol intensive so if we every see a sustained spike in oil....well its not a pretty picture.

can we say great american dust bin?

[Dan T 8]

Exactly where did you get this information? It is categorically wrong. You would do well not to spread your misinformation around this board. A non-EU family member, wishing to remain in Ireland based on their family relationship to an EU Citizen must apply to the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service and furnish an application. This is a very similar application to one that someone would provide in the same circumstance in the UK.

what about things like income requirements and such, and is the process the same for a natural born irish cit bringing home an immigrant spouse and an EU cit moving to Ireland for the first time with his/her immigrant spouse.

[justashooter 430]

its not just Hispanics who enter illegally.

no, just 95% of them. the vast majority of illegals in USA who have EWI are hispanic.

5-8% of the illegals in USA have overstayed lawful entry restrictions. this includes the vast majority of asian, african, and european illegals, who are really just out of status on a lawful entry.

[Nagishkaw 510]

[Fandango 1,439]

no, just 95% of them. the vast majority of illegals in USA who have EWI are hispanic.

5-8% of the illegals in USA have overstayed lawful entry restrictions. this includes the vast majority of asian, african, and european illegals, who are really just out of status on a lawful entry.

But illegal is illegal...I see no point differentiating between the two.

[Pooky 3,348]

But illegal is illegal...I see no point differentiating between the two.

[Dan T 8]

But illegal is illegal...I see no point differentiating between the two.

quite right indeed, but then there is the seperate issue of an expectation of integration and which immigrant groups have a natural tendency to follow it and which ones arive with the expectation that the host country integrate to them. I think there would be less anger generated towards central/south american illegal immigrants if they were not the primary group in most of america, certainly in my area (NJ in case youre wondering) that exhibit this trait most prominently. The question really becomes what responsibility does a wealthy nation with wide open borders have to accomodate the culture of immigrants fleeing destitute living conditions in their country of origin. Imho absolutely zero responsibility whatsoever, and yet the government, and even the business culture, in america seems to opperate in opposition to that.

[Myopia 93]

Implying that only illegals-turned-legal have a 'better understanding' than 'many of us' is a bit harsh, imo. I don't know your situation other than what your timeline suggests, but illegals who become legal are not 'bad guy to good' in my book. You willfully broke immigration law, and were rewarded afterwards. I don't think that's right.

I don't care who it is trying to immigrate...if you can't legally get in, there is absolutely no place for you (general you) here.

Thankfully the laws that are on the books are more flexible than your opinions.

Are women who came to the US with no understanding of immigration law and then abused by their spouses who refuse to file for them wilful criminals too?

Or maybe the child that comes here with his or her parent and has no idea that they are illegal?

There are so many situations that can cause a person to fall out of status that it is just nonsensical to make blanket statements.

Ooh the luxury of thinking we are right.

[Fandango 1,439]

Thankfully the laws that are on the books are more flexible than your opinions.

Are women who came to the US with no understanding of immigration law and then abused by their spouses who refuse to file for them wilful criminals too?

Or maybe the child that comes here with his or her parent and has no idea that they are illegal?

There are so many situations that can cause a person to fall out of status that it is just nonsensical to make blanket statements.

Ooh the luxury of thinking we are right.

Your last statement is quite ironic given the tone of your post.

Women who lawfully came here only to be abused by their spouses have VAWA. However, 'no understanding of immigration law' is a bs copout. Ignorance is no excuse under the law.

Children who come here with his or her parents with no idea they are illegal should be sent home. That is their parents responsibility to make good decisions for their kids, NOT THE US GOV'T.

The thing is this, I do not see a difference between the 'z0mG brown people!' illegals and those who came here legally and just never went home. To defend a hierarchy of illegals is wrong. Are there screwups in USCIS processing where a person's status has an issue? Certainly so. I have read it 1000 times here. And no, I am NOT talking about those who are showing good faith in fighting the gov't for a lawful status. The ones whose kids have aged out of AOS while processing, because they didn't freeze the age at the time of filing, and the like are NOT what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is the notion that somehow, the European who came here on holiday 10 years ago and never left is somehow BETTER than the Mexican who snuck across the border. (s)he is not. They are both the same imo, and neither should be here.

[lostinblue 1,989]

Its funny that you mention water. That is one resource that is dwindling in the US. I think you could argue we have actually surpassed the US capacity. Our corporate farming methods are not sustainable. There are multiple states that are having water issues not to mention topsoil erosion is also a lingering issue. Then you have large mono-cultures of crops that are just begging for devastation from any number of sources which could cause serious food shortages. This is just the tip of the iceberg really....our whole farming system is very petrol intensive so if we every see a sustained spike in oil....well its not a pretty picture.

The number one irrigated crop in this country are lawns. How many people protest about green lawns in california or golf courses in arizona? How do you feed the hundreds of millions of people in the world without corporate farms?

[peejay 327]

What I'm talking about is the notion that somehow, the European who came here on holiday 10 years ago and never left is somehow BETTER than the Mexican who snuck across the border. (s)he is not. They are both the same imo, and neither should be here.

According to Obama and the Dems they are the same. Along with those that have absconded on standing deportation orders. They will all be given mass blanket permanent residency and work authorization when they get mass blanket amnesty for breaking numerous immigration, work autherization, and other miscelaneous laws.

[Fandango 1,439]

According to Obama and the Dems they are the same. Along with those that have absconded on standing deportation orders. They will all be given mass blanket permanent residency and work authorization when they get mass blanket amnesty for breaking numerous immigration, work autherization, and other miscelaneous laws.

Purely sickening.

[Pooky 3,348]

Purely sickening.

If their version of healthcare reform was unpopular with the electorate, immigration "reform" will be even worse, as it was last time the President of the USA tried it, under BushBaby. Thing this, will this small factoid it make a difference to the current administration? I seriously doubt it.

The President and Congress don't seem to get, or, more likely, complete ignore the fact that a clear majority of the American don't view the current law as broken, just its enforcement.