border jumpers

[TBoneTX 43,060]

never, and i do literally mean never as in not once, met a chinese, a german or a nigerian in america that didnt speak english, I have only to go to the convenience store around the corner to find a clerk behind the counter, thats lived here for 5 years, with not enough english for me to order a sandwhich.

And your point is? If it upsets you that much, call ICE (see page bottom) and turn him in. Have you ASKED the clerk why he can't speak English better? Edited March 29, 2010 by TBoneTX

[Dan T 8]

And your point is? If it upsets you that much, call ICE (see page bottom) and turn him in. Have you ASKED the clerk why he can't speak English better?

asked him? in what language exactly am i supposed to ask him in? and what good is turning in 1 guy or even 100, hell make it 1 mil when the flood is endless thanks to the defacto open boarder policy in place

[natty bumppo 289]

asked him? in what language exactly am i supposed to ask him in? and what good is turning in 1 guy or even 100, hell make it 1 mil when the flood is endless thanks to the defacto open boarder policy in place

if a person wants to learn a language bad enough ... they will find a way. especially if living in the country where the desired language is spoken.

otherwise ... the disease the person has is ... "i want to be a victim"

[TBoneTX 43,060]

asked him? in what language exactly am i supposed to ask him in?

Well, according to your earlier post, something other than German, any of the Chinese languages, or any of the Nigerian dialects, si man. You'll surely figure it out, si man. Edited March 29, 2010 by TBoneTX

[Dan T 8]

if a person wants to learn a language bad enough ... they will find a way. especially if living in the country where the desired language is spoken.

otherwise ... the disease the person has is ... "i want to be a victim"

preach on preach on. i had a brazillian friend that did finally go back after over staying his pre-9/11 work visa by about 5 years learn english by watching portuguese programming via satalite with english subtitles. his english was far from perfect, but without learning portuguese I was able to have unrestricted conversation with him. and yet if I walk down my street knocking on every door 75% would be over capacity(as per fire code) with some group(cant even tell if theyre a family)of people from central/south america(brazil included)with no one living there that could even say welcome to mcdonalds can i take your order and be able to process the response given.

[PhiLandShiR 18]

Illegal immigration will eventually cause harm to our food supply? Please! This thread started off with a question, how do you feel about illegal immigrants who jumped the border when we fought through the legal process. My answer is, obviously it is wrong, and not fair. But truth be told, there is no cost effective way to enforce our current laws, and it is wrong to not consider some sort of alternative to attempting to do so in a jack booted thug manner.

Would it be unfair to give illegals some sort of amnesty and path to legal residence? Yes. Is life always fair? No.

Actually there is but too many people object to it.

Simply implant a RFI, its smaller than the implantable birth control device, you could even swallow it. Every person would be automaticly swiped at every street corner and anyone without a RFI implant is deported. A swipe ie required to get a job an any employer who does not comply is shut down.

No more lost children and no more illegals...

[Dan T 8]

Well, according to your earlier post, something other than German, any of the Chinese languages, or any of the Nigerian dialects, si man. You'll surely figure it out, si man.

well i am able to speak to 100% of every german, chinese, and nigerian I meet in america in english. the same cannot be said of the store clerk

Edited March 29, 2010 by Dan T

[Dan T 8]

Actually there is but too many people object to it.

Simply implant a RFI, its smaller than the implantable birth control device, you could even swallow it. Every person would be automaticly swiped at every street corner and anyone without a RFI implant is deported. A swipe ie required to get a job an any employer who does not comply is shut down.

No more lost children and no more illegals...

as much as i share your sentiment on deporting illegals your approach is a bit too big brother for even my sensabilities and I am more of a big brother type than most people I know. get the wrong person in office and those chips could easily be enabled to do much more than simply proving legal status.

[natty bumppo 289]

preach on preach on. i had a brazillian friend that did finally go back after over staying his pre-9/11 work visa by about 5 years learn english by watching portuguese programming via satalite with english subtitles. his english was far from perfect, but without learning portuguese I was able to have unrestricted conversation with him. and yet if I walk down my street knocking on every door 75% would be over capacity(as per fire code) with some group(cant even tell if theyre a family)of people from central/south america(brazil included)with no one living there that could even say welcome to mcdonalds can i take your order and be able to process the response given.

just stating a fact. if a person wants to learn they will. if a person wants to live in a comfort zone and ####### about the unfairness of language they will.

while my portuguese fluency is nothing to write home to mom about ... i still manage to carry on stimulating conversations with my family/friends while in brazil.

i have a simple rule that i insist on as these friends/family are reluctant to use their english due to fear of embarrassment ... it's all in fun ... life is too freakin short and you can laugh at my portuguese all you want cause i'll try (and fail and learn ... repeat cycle).

what broke the ice for many was hearing of my experience trying to find milk at a hotel (i was the only english speaker there) ... i had just arrived from the states and was dead tired ... couldn't think of the word leite to save my life and they didn't understand the word milk. suffice to say i've spent time on a farm and was quickly understood

[TBoneTX 43,060]

if a person wants to learn a language bad enough ... they will find a way. especially if living in the country where the desired language is spoken.

Perhaps, if they can overcome the challenges of both spouses' having jobs, dealing with their kids, being unable to sign up for English classes in the middle of the program...

[Dan T 8]

just stating a fact. if a person wants to learn they will. if a person wants to live in a comfort zone and ####### about the unfairness of language they will.

while my portuguese fluency is nothing to write home to mom about ... i still manage to carry on stimulating conversations with my family/friends while in brazil.

i have a simple rule that i insist on as these friends/family are reluctant to use their english due to fear of embarrassment ... it's all in fun ... life is too freakin short and you can laugh at my portuguese all you want cause i'll try (and fail and learn ... repeat cycle).

what broke the ice for many was hearing of my experience trying to find milk at a hotel (i was the only english speaker there) ... i had just arrived from the states and was dead tired ... couldn't think of the word leite to save my life and they didn't understand the word milk. suffice to say i've spent time on a farm and was quickly understood

lemme guess you went around making hand gestures of udder manipulation? thats just too funny

[TBoneTX 43,060]

i have a simple rule that i insist on as these friends/family are reluctant to use their english due to fear of embarrassment ... it's all in fun ... life is too freakin short and you can laugh at my portuguese all you want cause i'll try (and fail and learn ... repeat cycle).

This is a very good system, which can also be applied to store clerks & other strangers. Language barriers cause FEAR. On one of my more recent trips to Ecuador, I was thrilled that I was able to hold a basic conversation with a taxi-driver -- through a combination of "pidgin Spanish" and gestures. Another problem for some (many?) is that they can watch Portuguese or Spanish TV programs with subtitles, but the text and the SPOKEN words go by too fast for a person's level of ability. I kept having to ask the taxi-driver to "speak more slowly, please" so that I could hear the words, translate them in my head, translate them back into Spanish, and speak them.

Another important consideration is that some speakers of foreign languages don't have much education in their OWN language, which makes learning the rules of English grammar, etc. challenging indeed. My wife mentioned that she would have been in real trouble, had she not studied Spanish grammar and basic English in her home country.

Edited March 29, 2010 by TBoneTX

[Dan T 8]

Perhaps, if they can overcome the challenges of both spouses' having jobs, dealing with their kids, being unable to sign up for English classes in the middle of the program...

so im sure only central/south american immigrants have to deal with these issues or that immigrants from other parts of the world have the luxury of not having kids, or jobs?

[TBoneTX 43,060]

so im sure only central/south american immigrants have to deal with these issues or that immigrants from other parts of the world have the luxury of not having kids, or jobs?

Read the second paragraph of my last post above, which was edited in and crossed over with your message here.

[Dan T 8]

This is a very good system, which can also be applied to store clerks & other strangers. Language barriers cause FEAR. On one of my more recent trips to Ecuador, I was thrilled that I was able to hold a basic conversation with a taxi-driver -- through a combination of "pidgin Spanish" and gestures. Another problem for some (many?) is that they can watch Portuguese or Spanish TV programs with subtitles, but the text and the SPOKEN words go by too fast for a person's level of ability. I kept having to ask the taxi-driver to "speak more slowly, please" so that I could hear the words, translate them in my head, translate them back into Spanish, and speak them.

Another important consideration is that some speakers of foreign languages don't have much education in their OWN language, which makes learning the rules of English grammar, etc. challenging indeed. My wife mentioned that she would have been in real trouble, had she not studied Spanish grammar and basic English in her home country.

and you are illustrating an effort that you and your wife have made that is not made by enough central/south americans with enough recurrance that we are here having a conversation about it. and being a tourist is different than someone that has lived here uninterrupted for 5 years, i know this about this particular clerk because i have been going to this store regularly to buy self serve items since it opened 8 years ago.