Military

[luckytxn 2,265]

Can join the Marines or Navy Seals to become a man, Air Force is also pretty darn though for survival training if you get shot down in enemy territory. Wouldn't recommend the Navy if you get seasick. But some things to think about, what happens if you don't get killed, it's up to you to earn a living when you get out, so might as well take advantages of education while you are in with some civilian related job.

Yeah if his IQ is not that good he can go and be a Marine and be a MAN.

[Ban Hammer 14,024]

Even though my brother became a medical doctor with the Army, suggest he look into the Navy for career opportunities, anything from shore patrol to nuclear physics.

shore patrol = dealing with drunk sailors, oh joy!

[NickD 203]

Even though my brother became a medical doctor with the Army, suggest he look into the Navy for career opportunities, anything from shore patrol to nuclear physics.

shore patrol = dealing with drunk sailors, oh joy!

Guys that get assigned SP duty score lower than an assistant dishwasher in the aptitude test. They don't mind dealing with drunken sailors. Navy really has some great schools, better than the Air Force, but you have to study your can off. Flunk out, and you will be dealing with drunken sailors also.

[Danno 1,228]

Even though my brother became a medical doctor with the Army, suggest he look into the Navy for career opportunities, anything from shore patrol to nuclear physics.

shore patrol = dealing with drunk sailors, oh joy!

Guys that get assigned SP duty score lower than an assistant dishwasher in the aptitude test. They don't mind dealing with drunken sailors. Navy really has some great schools, better than the Air Force, but you have to study your can off. Flunk out, and you will be dealing with drunken sailors also.

From reports published a few weeks ago, the Navy has "adjusted" their standards.

Here is an op-ed piece by my fav on the subject.

Dumbing-Down the U.S. Navy

by Patrick J. Buchanan

07/07/2009

"Naval Academy Professor Challenges Rising Diversity," ran the headline in The Washington Post.

The impression left was that some sorehead was griping because black and Hispanic kids were finally being admitted.

The Post's opening paragraphs reinforced the impression.

"Of the 1,230 plebes who took the oath of office at the Naval Academy in Annapolis this week, 435 were members of minority groups. It's the most racially diverse class in the nation's 164-year history. Academy leaders say it's a top priority to build a student body that reflects the racial makeup of the Navy and the nation."

Who can be against diversity?

What the Post gets around to is that 22-year English professor Bruce Fleming objects to a race-based admissions program that was apparently used to create a class that is 35 percent minority.

According to Fleming, who once sat on the board of admissions, white applicants must have all As and Bs and test scores of at least 600 on the English and math parts of the SAT even to qualify for a "slate" of 10 applicants, from which only one will be chosen.

However, if you check a box indicating you are African-American, Hispanic, Native American or Asian, writes Fleming, "SAT scores to the mid 500s with quite a few Cs in classes ... typically produces a vote of 'qualified' ... with direct admission to Annapolis. They're in and given a pro forma nomination to make it legit."

If true, the U.S. Naval Academy is running a two-tier admissions system of the kind that kept Jennifer Gratz out of the University of Michigan and was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

"Minority applicants with scores and grades down to the 300s and Cs and Ds also come, though after a year at our taxpayer-supported remedial school, the Naval Academy Preparatory School."

If true, this is a national disgrace. It would represent a U.S. Naval Academy policy of systematic race discrimination, every year, against hundreds of white kids who worked and studied their entire lives for the honor of being appointed to the U.S. Naval Academy and becoming career officers in the Navy or Marine Corps.

If true, what Annapolis has done and is doing is worse -- because it is premeditated and programmed racism -- than the cowardly act of the New Haven city government in denying Frank Ricci and the white firefighters the promotions they had won in a competitive exam. At least New Haven could say it acted out of fear of being sued.

Yet, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Gary Roughead and the Superintendent of the Naval Academy Vice Adm. Jerry Fowler seem quite proud of what they are doing.

Fleming quotes the CNO as saying that "diversity is the number one priority" at the academy. Fowler says he wants Annapolis graduates who "looked like" the fleet, where 42 percent of enlisted personnel are nonwhite.

The diversity midshipmen, says Fleming, who teaches them, are over-represented in "pre-college lower track courses, mandatory tutoring programs and less-challenging majors. Many struggle to master basic concepts."

Thus, though unqualified for college work, these students will be operating the most sophisticated and complex weapons systems ever built -- aircraft carriers, Aegis cruisers, nuclear submarines.

"First of all, we're dumbing-down the Naval Academy," charges Fleming. "Second of all, we're dumbing-down the officers corps."

Supporting Fleming's claim, 22 percent of incoming plebes in 2009 had SAT scores in math below 600, compared to 12 percent in 2008.

If the facts are as Fleming states -- the academy is accepting dumber and dumber students to get its racial composition right -- who can deny that the price of diversity is deliberate acceptance of a less able and competent United States Navy?

"Diversity is our number one priority," Roughhead is quoted. Can one imagine Adm. Chester Nimitz or "Bull" Halsey making an insipid statement like that? Can one imagine what Adm. David "Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!" Farragut would have thought of such a policy?

Whatever happened to the Hyman Rickover-Jimmy Carter motto for the Naval Academy and U.S. Navy: "Why Not the Best?"

Consider. If hundreds of black and Hispanic kids who applied to the academy had been rejected though they had higher grades and SAT scores than those admitted, this story would not have been in the Metro section of the Post. It would have been bannered on page one. And Roughead and Fowler would be explaining to a congressional committee why they should not be relieved of their commands.

Fleming, who still teaches at Annapolis, and has likely had some unpleasant moments since he blew the whistle on his superiors, has shown considerable moral courage.

Hopefully, Congress will show the same moxy and investigate this outage. Hopefully, some of those white kids, cheated out of their life's dream of attending the Naval Academy -- while less qualified kids were admitted -- will sue the academy, just like Frank Ricci and those gutsy firefighters sued the city of New Haven.

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AS a side note, as best as I can recall, when we pulled into port, they Marines at random for SP duty.... not sure how the Navy did it.

[Niels Bohr 72]

So much for, "Don't ask, don't tell."

Can join the Marines or Navy Seals to become a man, Air Force is also pretty darn though for survival training if you get shot down in enemy territory. Wouldn't recommend the Navy if you get seasick. But some things to think about, what happens if you don't get killed, it's up to you to earn a living when you get out, so might as well take advantages of education while you are in with some civilian related job.

Yeah if his IQ is not that good he can go and be a Marine and be a MAN caveman!.

[milimelo 4,624]

I suggest he does thorough research and not fall on "you can be whatever you want" sales pitches especially for the army as he will be whisked away to the boot camp and put into a program he is not even interested in.

Research "what recruiter never told you" as well as READ before signing anything. Kids these days will sign anything and then regret doing it - when there's not much to do to get it "un-done".

If he is good with languages maybe go into the language translators program - could get a hefty bonus for that.

[alienlovechild 75]

I suggest he does thorough research and not fall on "you can be whatever you want" sales pitches especially for the army as he will be whisked away to the boot camp and put into a program he is not even interested in.

Research "what recruiter never told you" as well as READ before signing anything. Kids these days will sign anything and then regret doing it - when there's not much to do to get it "un-done".

Good advice. I've asked more recently military vets if they did research prior to signing up. There's fewer excuses now for not doing your homework on the Internet. Wish I had that option when I went into the Army in 1992.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I suggest he does thorough research and not fall on "you can be whatever you want" sales pitches especially for the army as he will be whisked away to the boot camp and put into a program he is not even interested in.

Research "what recruiter never told you" as well as READ before signing anything. Kids these days will sign anything and then regret doing it - when there's not much to do to get it "un-done".

Good advice. I've asked more recently military vets if they did research prior to signing up. There's fewer excuses now for not doing your homework on the Internet. Wish I had that option when I went into the Army in 1992.

The National Guard used to be a good option, to get the training, and get some benefits, without the full time commitment. But, since we are in a time of war, you have about the same chance of being deployed from a guard or reserve unit as you do from a regular unit. You have the option of going full time if you decide the military life is for you, otherwise it's just one weekend a month and two weeks a year, if the Pres can keep his finger off the button. (Not likely for now.)

[Mr and Mrs Bird 0]

He has decided the Navy. We will contact our local recruiter today.

We already signed him up for classes in college for 1. semester, so he gotta do this first.

Thank you everyone for all the good informations and hints.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

He has decided the Navy. We will contact our local recruiter today.

We already signed him up for classes in college for 1. semester, so he gotta do this first.

Thank you everyone for all the good informations and hints.

Navy tends to be a good choice, good luck to him. Has he considered ROTC [Reserve Officer Training] while going to college? Get out and become an officer.

[almaty 19]

officer..puke in my mouth....

[ready4ONE 5,400]

officer..puke in my mouth....

Somebody has to tell you where to go and what to do maty!

[almaty 19]

officer..puke in my mouth....

Somebody has to tell you where to go and what to do maty!

lol..of course brother..being a chopf##k..who got his rank reduced for piss poor bad behavior ...by a Captain.

.like most soldiers/sailors..i blamed the officer instead of myself

[mawilson 2,133]

I suggest he look at Arny and be a MAN.

Arny the Governator?

[Tsup2 0]

I served 22 years in the Navy. I am now a civilian working for the Army. I think he made a better choice going Navy.