UK Covid-19 numbers concerning

[Wuozopo 4,285]

I find the mortality rate in the UK concerning. Of those confirmed positive, 13.5% have died. The US, with the highest number of cases, has only 5% and Spain is 10%. 

 

I haven’t seen that addressed by the UK press. What’s the deal do you think?  Is it because you have to be super sick to be tested? Does the NHS suck despite Boris Johnson’s praise that they gave him the finest care? 

Edited April 24, 2020 by Wuozopo

[Crazy Cat 39,256]

Are they counting Covid deaths in nursing homes in UK?  

Edited April 25, 2020 by Lucky Cat

[yuna628 9,530]

4 minutes ago, Wuozopo said:

I find the mortality rate in the UK concerning. Of those confirmed positive, 13.5% have died. The US, with the highest number of cases, has only 5% and Spain is 10%. 

 

I haven’t seen that addressed by the UK press. What’s the deal do you think?  Is it because you have to be super sick to be tested? Does the NHS suck despite Boris Johnson’s praise that they gave him the finest care? 

It is also very concerning, considering the reported number is not actually the true number which I've seen floated around. https://www.ft.com/content/67e6a4ee-3d05-43bc-ba03-e239799fa6ab

 

For what we can tell and what we've heard from our family is that: the NHS could not cope whatsoever. Lack of testing is a huge problem. The especially vulnerable are being intentionally left to die in their homes and other facilities (some doctors forcibly signing DNRs of elderly). When you look at NY's number of deaths on a ventilator, much is the same result in the UK (though some doctors moved onto other methods).

 

Early on, I remember reading the Imperial College report and the leaked plans for the government to employ the 'herd immunity' option. Probably one of the most disturbing things we had ever read and quite frankly suicidal for the population. They are still not locked down efficiently. My husband would say the failure of the NHS is ultimately on the back of government austerity that intentionally left the country vulnerable in every way and of course all the same problems the US had such as lack of PPE and tests.

[Crazy Cat 39,256]

Dr. John Campbell (RN), on Youtube, is UK based.......and he is excellent in his reporting and analysis.

[Xyrstine 224]

I think the death rate is much higher than reported due to those in care homes and even in their homes, passing away. However the trend will still be fairly accurate.

 

I don't think there is enough testing done to accurately portray our infected cases as well so it's really difficult to determine whether it's just us that has it worse than some neighbouring countries or lack of data.

 

I agree with the point being made about the NHS not being prepared- we were understaffed before this pandemic and are incredibly stretched thin right now, especially in critical care. We have nurses from other areas like day cases and theatres who have stopped operating (only in emergencies) but that in no way makes up for the nurses needed to adequately work specialised machines and medications in ICUs. The reality is that our COVID-19+ve patients are very complex and tend to have multi-organ failures. It just takes a while for these patients to get better and are often quick to deteriorate. 

 

The government failed the NHS and it's preparation to deal with this. If I'm being honest we were struggling with the winter pressures before this even hit. 

[Xyrstine 224]

31 minutes ago, Lucky Cat said:

Are they counting Covid deaths in nursing homes in UK?  

No, they are only counting those who have died in hospital after being confirmed COVID-19 positive.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/67e6a4ee-3d05-43bc-ba03-e239799fa6ab

Edited April 25, 2020 by Xyrstine
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[Boiler 43,437]

If you want to look at some odd numbers check Belgium.

[Xyrstine 224]

28 minutes ago, Boiler said:

If you want to look at some odd numbers check Belgium.

Wow, didn't notice it till you pointed it out. When you compare the numbers as a percentage, the UK doesn't look "that" bad. We could do much better and worse. Again, it's debatable how accurate all our data is compared to the rest of the world (not including China!).

 

Doesn't detract from the sad truth of people losing their lives, and for it being potentially avoidable. We could all learn a lot from eachother globally. What works and what doesn't. At least we are united in our grief and efforts in beating this. 

Edited April 25, 2020 by Xyrstine
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[remotercharm 31]

On 4/24/2020 at 7:52 PM, Wuozopo said:

I find the mortality rate in the UK concerning. Of those confirmed positive, 13.5% have died. The US, with the highest number of cases, has only 5% and Spain is 10%. 

 

I haven’t seen that addressed by the UK press. What’s the deal do you think?  Is it because you have to be super sick to be tested? Does the NHS suck despite Boris Johnson’s praise that they gave him the finest care? 

The mortality rate in NY is much greater than the average in the UK.  The UK mortality rate according to the NYTimes in 44 per 100,000 and in the state of New York it is 129 per 100,000.  In NYC it is 222 per 100,000.  A lot of the US population is spread out and less dense so I don't think it's good to compare the two countries.  In general yes, the UK mortality rate is bad like Italy and Spain but they are also home to London which is a huge dense international city which is going to bring up the average like NYC does to the state of NY.  I think the US average could surpass the UK eventually.

Edited May 6, 2020 by remotercharm

[Wuozopo 4,285]

46 minutes ago, remotercharm said:

The mortality rate in NY is much greater than the average in the UK.  The UK mortality rate according to the NYTimes in 44 per 100,000 and in the state of New York it is 129 per 100,000.  In NYC it is 222 per 100,000.  A lot of the US population is spread out and less dense so I don't think it's good to compare the two countries.  In general yes, the UK mortality rate is bad like Italy and Spain but they are also home to London which is a huge dense international city which is going to bring up the average like NYC does to the state of NY.  I think the US average could surpass the UK eventually.

According to Johns Hopkins Corona Virus Resource Center

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

 

State of New York

25,124 deaths

321,192 confirmed positive

7.8% have died

 

NYC

19,067 deaths

176,874 confirmed cases

10.7% have died

 

United Kingdom

29,501 deaths

196,243 confirmed positive

15% have died

[Xyrstine 224]

There is some talk that we may have a deadlier mutated strain of the virus in the UK... But there are so many conflicting reports that it's difficult to ascertain how true that is. No doubt we will know a lot later. If that is the case, it might explain why our fatalities are higher... I do think we have responded to this pandemic far too slow however and the damage was done when we should have acted. (I, for one, will never forget how it was nursing in critical care).

 

I know there will be many more deaths to come especially with our older demographic and those with underlying conditions. I hope people still keep distance and ensure good hand hygiene. The use of masks as well as having scientific proof of it reducing infection, will also help drill into people the need to stay distant.

 

Many critically unwell COVID-19 patients are still very unwell and take a very long time to recover so I can see how deaths are still accumulating and for many it is too late before the are even admitted to an ICU. We shouldn't get complacent with lockdown measures easing. If anything, more caution as we should know better with these alarming high fatalities.

 

[Boiler 43,437]

There will be a natural decline as there is effectively a clear out, and comparing numbers when the basis for each area is so different is fairly pointless.

[elmcitymaven 9,711]

My brother received a food parcel from the government this week, as he has been classified as highly vulnerable by the NHS. He was touched by the effort but is wondering what to do with two tins of spicy parsnip soup. 

[Wuozopo 4,285]

8 minutes ago, elmcitymaven said:

My brother received a food parcel from the government this week, as he has been classified as highly vulnerable by the NHS. He was touched by the effort but is wondering what to do with two tins of spicy parsnip soup. 

Is that all he got? Two tins of soup? I wouldn’t eat parsnip soup myself, but it was a nice gesture. My mum hasn’t mentioned any care parcels.

[trudi 1,317]

17 hours ago, elmcitymaven said:

My brother received a food parcel from the government this week, as he has been classified as highly vulnerable by the NHS. He was touched by the effort but is wondering what to do with two tins of spicy parsnip soup. 

My mum got one too, apparently she had to phone the local council, answer some questions and the next day she got a huge food parcel including food for her dogs