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fears that neo-Nazis or other extremists would piggyback on the Richmond rally to stoke violence like the violence at a 2017 demonstration by white nationalists in Charlottesville that killed a counter-protester, the Capitol Police reported just one arrest, a 21-year-old woman taken into custody for wearing a bandana over her face after twice being warned that masks were not allowed.

Ohai Antifa.. the only arrest. 

 

Always fun when a media fear narrative collapses when confronting reality. What I want to know is if the police happened upon organizations trying to put plants in this rally, the way they did Trump rallies to start fights for the media to concoct a "violence" narrative. Something like this isn't allowed to go without opposition anymore.


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As I posted last week,  Several white nationalists were picked up enroute to this event last week by the FBI based on evidence that they intended violent chaos.  Of course is fashionable to slam the FBI now a days so I am sure they were innocent neo-nazis.

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17 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

 

 

Ohai Antifa.. the only arrest. 

 

Always fun when a media fear narrative collapses when confronting reality. What I want to know is if the police happened upon organizations trying to put plants in this rally, the way they did Trump rallies to start fights for the media to concoct a "violence" narrative. Something like this isn't allowed to go without opposition anymore.

Are you sure that she was Antifa? It said a bandana. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns-rally/thousands-of-armed-us-gun-rights-activists-join-peaceful-virginia-rally-idUSKBN1ZJ15B Could have been anyone without more information. Also, I am pretty sure that I heard on the radio yesterday that the local Antifa had put out a statement on Twitter saying do NOT go, this is not the right place for protests, and it is in everyone's best interests if there aren't violent confrontations. I'll see if I can find you a link.

 

Edit: Link: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/19/virginia-gun-rally-anti-fascist-counter-protest

 

 

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1 hour ago, laylalex said:

Are you sure that she was Antifa? It said a bandana. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns-rally/thousands-of-armed-us-gun-rights-activists-join-peaceful-virginia-rally-idUSKBN1ZJ15B Could have been anyone without more information. Also, I am pretty sure that I heard on the radio yesterday that the local Antifa had put out a statement on Twitter saying do NOT go, this is not the right place for protests, and it is in everyone's best interests if there aren't violent confrontations. I'll see if I can find you a link.

 

Edit: Link: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/19/virginia-gun-rally-anti-fascist-counter-protest

 

 

1) Normal people don't wear bandanas covering their faces, Antifa does

2) They're at virtually every major right wing rally to counterprotest

3) People exercising their gun rights have no reason to wear one, no reason to conceal their identity

4) People causing trouble do

5) Bada bing bada boom

 

It's about knowing the demographic. 

 

It's also knowing about propaganda.. soliciting fear of right wing white nationalists. Given how often this fearmongering is wrong, I'm going with the safe bet, which is Antifa, or someone highly sympathetic to them.

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5 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

1) Normal people don't wear bandanas covering their faces, Antifa does

2) They're at virtually every major right wing rally to counterprotest

3) People exercising their gun rights have no reason to wear one, no reason to conceal their identity

4) People causing trouble do

5) Bada bing bada boom

 

It's about knowing the demographic. 

 

It's also knowing about propaganda.. soliciting fear of right wing white nationalists. Given how often this fearmongering is wrong, I'm going with the safe bet, which is Antifa, or someone highly sympathetic to them.

So basically you have no facts at the moment, you're just drawing inferences. Okay! :) You are aware that at Charlottesville, there were people who were not Antifa covering their faces? All sorts of people cover their faces. It's not the exclusive territory of Antifa.

 

Also, did you see this bit in the Guardian article?

 

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In a direct message, the group told the Guardian: “We are against the [gun control] legislation and the racists attempting to take advantage of this typically calm and multi-issue lobby day.”

Skepticism about government gun control is a point of agreement between rightwing activists and some US leftists, who argue that marginalized Americans should have the right to defend themselves with firearms.

Philip Van Cleave, president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, said last week his supporters had been told antifa “is actually on our side of the fence, because they don’t like these gun laws either”.

“If they show, it’s not going to be to protest us,” Van Cleave told the Guardian on Wednesday.

 

Anyone can cause trouble -- it's not just Antifa. Or gun rights activists. It could be someone else looking to cause trouble. We don't know yet! I hope we do. :) 

 

PS I like the afterthought goalpost-shifting at the very end where you add "someone highly sympathetic to them," nice CYA move. :P 

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16 minutes ago, laylalex said:

So basically you have no facts at the moment, you're just drawing inferences. Okay! :) You are aware that at Charlottesville, there were people who were not Antifa covering their faces? All sorts of people cover their faces. It's not the exclusive territory of Antifa.

 

Also, did you see this bit in the Guardian article?

 

Anyone can cause trouble -- it's not just Antifa. Or gun rights activists. It could be someone else looking to cause trouble. We don't know yet! I hope we do. :) 

 

PS I like the afterthought goalpost-shifting at the very end where you add "someone highly sympathetic to them," nice CYA move. :P 

Drawing inferences is what people who have an idea what they're saying do. As an educated person, I don't mind sticking my neck out, because far more often than not, I'm right, and more than anything else, I'm confident the narrative about white supremacy/nationalism, Neo-Nazism, etc. are gaslighting attempts. Trying to demonstrate to me some "exclusive" straw man isn't a counterargument, nor is an irrelevant Guardian article that doesn't disprove that this person is an Antifa member or someone that is highly sympathetic. People genuinely protesting for their second amendment rights overwhelmingly know they're doing nothing wrong and so have no reason to be wearing a mask. The regions of the country where you'd be more likely to find white supremacists in masks, I'd be less likely to conclude its Antifa, but Antifa and the far left overwhelmingly are the people wearing masks in public in general, but especially at right wing rallies. You're not going to get a concession without proving that this is the very threat the media is portraying it as. They already stuck their necks out and have a pattern of being wrong (which is part of their gaslighting narrative). I'm not like them.

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1 minute ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Many 10s of 1000s of guns in a large crowd today and not one single shooting.  How is that possible.  Access to guns causes gun deaths. 

Gotta throw a wrench in reality, maybe tell Uncle George to hire some protesters to fire off some cap guns so the media can call it a shooting.


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16 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Many 10s of 1000s of guns in a large crowd today and not one single shooting.  How is that possible.  Access to guns causes gun deaths. 

 

  What percentage of shooting deaths are not caused by guns? We should avoid engaging in causal fallacy in the first place. It can only lead to stalemate.


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AOC claims there were 'almost no police officers' at Virginia Second Amendment rally

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/aoc-claims-there-were-almost-no-police-officers-at-virginia-second-amendment-rally

 

Not sure why there would need to be a big presence for a peaceful civil rights protest on MLK day.


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9 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  What percentage of shooting deaths are not caused by guns? We should avoid engaging in causal fallacy in the first place. It can only lead to stalemate.

I would surmise zero percent of shootings are caused by guns,   and at least 99.9% are caused by humans. Kind of made the point of the whole thread for me. Thanks

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13 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I would surmise zero percent of shootings are caused by guns,   and at least 99.9% are caused by humans. Kind of made the point of the whole thread for me. Thanks

 

   There was a point? What was it? Did someone ever say large crowds would cause a shooting to occur? 


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A birthday present for Ralph Northam': Protesters clean garbage off streets following Virginia gun rally

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/a-birthday-present-for-ralph-northam-protesters-clean-garbage-off-streets-following-virginia-gun-rally

 

 

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After the new president Obama 's historical inauguration oath ceremony, the biggest trash mountain in history

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