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NFL Fines Saints Captain for Wearing 'Man of God' Headband, but He Still Stands for Christ

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7 minutes ago, Randyandyuni said:

Isn't Saints a religious statement?


  The Saints didn't fine him though, the NFL did. The players agreed to this in collective bargaining, and it is enforced regardless of the message. If players want to be able to do this kind of thing, they should negotiate for it in their next collective bargaining agreement. I'm sure they could trade their pension plan or something for it if they wanted.  


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18 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:


  The Saints didn't fine him though, the NFL did. The players agreed to this in collective bargaining, and it is enforced regardless of the message. If players want to be able to do this kind of thing, they should negotiate for it in their next collective bargaining agreement. I'm sure they could trade their pension plan or something for it if they wanted.  

If I remember correctly, you supported kneeling? What amazes me is the clowning and showboating that is allowed yet Something like this harmless at worst is punished


 

 

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20 minutes ago, Randyandyuni said:

If I remember correctly, you supported kneeling? What amazes me is the clowning and showboating that is allowed yet Something like this harmless at worst is punished

 

   I had no opinion on kneeling. Tebow used to do it with the Broncos after they scored. Kneeling is not prohibited by contract or agreement which is why the NFL could not do anything about it. Teams tried to handle it internally, because it was a publicity nightmare for teams to have players kneeling during the anthem. Initially there was no avenue to fine or punish players otherwise for doing that, except to release them and take the salary cap hit, which some teams did. Current policy allows the NFL to fine the teams if players kneel during the anthem.

 

  


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7 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   I had no opinion on kneeling. Tebow used to do it with the Broncos after they scored. Kneeling is not prohibited by contract or agreement which is why the NFL could not do anything about it. Teams tried to handle it internally, because it was a publicity nightmare for teams to have players kneeling during the anthem. Initially there was no avenue to fine or punish players otherwise for doing that, except to release them and take the salary cap hit, which some teams did. Current policy allows the NFL to fine the teams if players kneel during the anthem.

 

  

Sorry for attributing you to that then, it was a recollection albeit wrong,not an admonition. Regardless of contractual agreements, it is a foolish stand and position to take, although religious conviction is similar to political beliefs in that there are alternative beliefs


 

 

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28 minutes ago, Randyandyuni said:

Sorry for attributing you to that then, it was a recollection albeit wrong,not an admonition. Regardless of contractual agreements, it is a foolish stand and position to take, although religious conviction is similar to political beliefs in that there are alternative beliefs

 

   I would say more accurately that it didn't bother me one way or another that they did it. I felt it was their right to do so and also their risk of the consequences. I understand that many saw it as disrespectful. I really did not, but I do think there were better venues. Ultimately, if someone has something to say, it doesn't help to start by pissing off people to the point that the message gets lost. 


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3 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   I would say more accurately that it didn't bother me one way or another that they did it. I felt it was their right to do so and also their risk of the consequences. I understand that many saw it as disrespectful. I really did not, but I do think there were better venues. Ultimately, if someone has something to say, it doesn't help to start by pissing off people to the point that the message gets lost. 

I agree with this. I am a veteran and always stand but I was raised to do so also. Way before this became an issue I went to many games and not even half the people in the stands would stand up.

 

I did participate in events in other countries and we always stood when any anthem of any country was playing. It was considered rude not to do so even if we hated that country.  It was a sign of respect and showing respect is what competition is all about. 

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3 hours ago, luckytxn said:

I agree with this. I am a veteran and always stand but I was raised to do so also. Way before this became an issue I went to many games and not even half the people in the stands would stand up.

 

I did participate in events in other countries and we always stood when any anthem of any country was playing. It was considered rude not to do so even if we hated that country.  It was a sign of respect and showing respect is what competition is all about. 

Eggzackly.  Having been raised in a family with many veterans, I was taught like you.  And like you, I always stood and paid honor for the anthems of any country I was in.  It's just the responsible/respectful thing to do. 

 

I admit I didn't like the way KC decided to display his alleged anger of his half-racist self.  But I came 5o terms with it quickly. Free speech and all that.

 

I DO see this as an issue though.  Freedom of religion AND free speech are being suppressed here.  I suspect if it was a muslim player using his prayer mat on the field, it would be allowed.  Just not if one loves Jesus.

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9 minutes ago, ALFKAD said:

To some, I suppose.  Football will always be popular, in spite of how the NFL leadership tries to suppress christians.

I know, I was sort of waxing poetic, and I will admit I do watch it a little now and then, but it no longer controls my Sunday afternoons.  To be honest, I am starting to sour on college ball some with all this transfer portal stuff, and team building through an almost draft like environment.

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4 hours ago, ALFKAD said:

To some, I suppose.  Football will always be popular, in spite of how the NFL leadership tries to suppress christians.

 

  The rule applies to all players. Your understanding of the situation seems to be incomplete.

 

  PERSONAL MESSAGES

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Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during post game interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. 


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