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So this situation is not about me its about my cousin who is so damn to get involve in a very complicated situation..

 

So her now husband is still married/not divorce and she/everyone knew about it.. My question is..is it possible that japan will allow them to get married even the guy is still married and not divorce? Because they manage to get married in a courthouse in japan few days ago..

 

They wanted to get married in Philippines last year but it didnt happen because Philippines is so strict about getting married when couples are not free to marry. She only meet the guy once in person and on the second time they meet in japan only to get married.

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8 minutes ago, FilAm24 said:

is it possible that japan will allow them to get married even the guy is still married and not divorce? Because they manage to get married in a courthouse in japan few days ago..

You've answered your own question.

This is bigamy, with all that it implies.


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06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

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01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

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1 minute ago, TBoneTX said:

You've answered your own question.

This is bigamy, with all that it implies.

well i have a lil knowledge about this kind of situation but i had to confirm as shes damn and desperate to be married to a married man even though we will say hes seperated..how is it really possible that japan will allow them to get married without a free to marry evidence? 

 

they seems trying to adjust the date(2years from now) to get married in Philippines and to apply for a visa(maybe they are waiting for the time that the guy will finally divorce?)..is the embassy will care about the first marriage in japan without knowing he was still married?

 

im not close to this cousin btw.. maybe im being nosy lol but it really bother me that they are trying whatever they can to get a visa or be married with this married guy😂😂

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Where are they trying to get a visa to?

If he's not divorced, the second marriage is invalid, period.

They won't be able to hide this.

He must first be divorced before they can marry.


06-04-2007 = TSC stamps postal return-receipt for I-129f.

06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

12-19-2007 = NOA2 by e-mail & web, dated 12-18-07 (187 days; 201 per VJ); in mail 12/24/07.

01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

08-07-08 = E-mail from consulate, promising to issue visa "as soon as we get her passport" (on 8/12, per DHL).

08-27-08 = Phoned consulate (they "couldn't find" our file); visa DHL'd 8/28; in hand 9/1; through POE on 10/9 with NO hassles(!).

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8 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

Where are they trying to get a visa to?

If he's not divorced, the second marriage is invalid, period.

They won't be able to hide this.

He must first be divorced before they can marry.

they are trying to get a Visa to US..but i think they know what they are doing as they are also trying to delay the application..she said they will get married in Philippines after 2years then apply for a visa. second marriage i think is just a publicity move so their reputation wont be affected.

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I have no idea if Japan requires free to marry evidence, sounds like the issue is the USC and there is no free to marry evidence in the US.


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20 minutes ago, FilAm24 said:

they are trying to get a Visa to US..but i think they know what they are doing as they are also trying to delay the application..she said they will get married in Philippines after 2years then apply for a visa. second marriage i think is just a publicity move so their reputation wont be affected.

You should explain to her in great detail how this isn't going to work. If he is married he will have to provide the divorce documents when he applies for the US visa. It won't be hard for them to compare the dates of the divorce versus the dates of the second marriage.

 

Not to mention they will have 3 governments that will be involved, which at any given time can look back into their marriage history.

 

Even if she is able to get a visa, green card, or citizenship in the future, because it was done so fraudulently, it can be revoked at anytime of her life.


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As far as USC's are concerned, Japan requires the "free to marry" affidavit that is obtained at the Embassy/Consulate and is notarized in person there. I'd imagine Japan has similar requirements for all nationalities then.

 

https://photos.state.gov/libraries/japan/39181/pdfs/wwwfjoint.pdf

 

So, yeah, if this person married in Japan but they're actually still technically married somewhere else....that's a problem.


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11 hours ago, FilAm24 said:

they said they will get anything they want with money

Loss of all immigration benefits

Jail sentence for lying

Deportation

Wonder how much all those cost.


06-04-2007 = TSC stamps postal return-receipt for I-129f.

06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

12-19-2007 = NOA2 by e-mail & web, dated 12-18-07 (187 days; 201 per VJ); in mail 12/24/07.

01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

08-07-08 = E-mail from consulate, promising to issue visa "as soon as we get her passport" (on 8/12, per DHL).

08-27-08 = Phoned consulate (they "couldn't find" our file); visa DHL'd 8/28; in hand 9/1; through POE on 10/9 with NO hassles(!).

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