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Since ROC takes well over a year, for a marriage based Green card one qualifies to apply for naturalization a year after applying for ROC before it was approved. 

 

I've seen conflicting advice on whether doing so delays your naturalization (the ROC application is in queue and needs to be adjucated first), or whether it speeds it up (the naturalization arrived in queue and ROC is done at the same time by definition). 

 

What's the general current status? Will the recent changes (bypassing some interviews based on evidence and previous interviews) likely speed up ROC in general? 

 

And does applying essentially concurrently, while I-751 is pending, do more harm, more good, or it just depends? Does it depend on the local field office as well, or is it a black box


Adjusting from TN to GC as spouse of USC

2015-07-24: TN received at CBP

2015-11-23: TN received at CBP - employer change

2017-06-12: Married

2017-08-15: First child

2018-06-25: Mailed I-485, I-864, I-130/I-130A, and I-765 to USCIS

2018-07-03: NOA1 for I-485, I-130, and I-765

2018-07-24: Biometrics appointment

2018-07-25: Biometrics review completed

2018-08-28: Expedite request submitted for EAD via USCIS support line

2018-08-31: Request for additional information for EAD expedite mailed by USCIS

2018-09-07: Request for additional information for EAD expedite received in the mail

2018-09-07: Additional information for EAD expedite faxed to USCIS

2018-09-10: Mailed I-131 to USCIS

2018-09-14: EAD approved

2018-09-18: EAD approval notice received in the mail 

2018-09-18: EAD card was mailed 

2018-09-20: NOA1 for I-131

2018-09-21: EAD and SSN received in the mail

2018-10-11: Case is ready to be scheduled for interview

2018-10-31: Interview is scheduled

2018-11-21: TN expired

2018-12-11: AOS Interview - approved 

2018-12-11: Card is being produced 

2018-12-13: Card was mailed 

2018-12-18: Card received in the mail

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2020-12-11: Conditional green card expires 

 

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20 minutes ago, eckoin said:

Since ROC takes well over a year, for a marriage based Green card one qualifies to apply for naturalization a year after applying for ROC before it was approved. 

 

I've seen conflicting advice on whether doing so delays your naturalization (the ROC application is in queue and needs to be adjucated first), or whether it speeds it up (the naturalization arrived in queue and ROC is done at the same time by definition). 

 

What's the general current status? Will the recent changes (bypassing some interviews based on evidence and previous interviews) likely speed up ROC in general? 

 

And does applying essentially concurrently, while I-751 is pending, do more harm, more good, or it just depends? Does it depend on the local field office as well, or is it a black box

from what I heard they are normally adjudicated at the same time.

 

@geowriando you know if that is the case?

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20 minutes ago, Khallaf said:

from what I heard they are normally adjudicated at the same time.

 

@geowriando you know if that is the case?

Generally, yes. Occasionally the timing doesn't work and they are separate still.


Timelines:

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AOS (I-485 + I-131 + I-765):

9/25/17: sent forms to Chicago

9/27/17: received by USCIS

10/4/17: NOA1 electronic notification received

10/10/17: NOA1 hard copy received. Social Security card being issued in married name (3rd attempt!)

10/14/17: Biometrics appointment notice received

10/25/17: Biometrics

1/2/18: EAD + AP approved (no website update)

1/5/18: EAD + AP mailed

1/8/18: EAD + AP approval notice hardcopies received

1/10/18: EAD + AP received

9/5/18: Interview scheduled notice

10/17/18: Interview

10/24/18: Green card produced notice

10/25/18: Formal approval

10/31/18: Green card received

 

K-1:

Spoiler

I-129F

12/1/17: sent

12/14/17: NOA1 hard copy received

3/10/17: RFE (IMB verification)

3/22/17: RFE response received

3/24/17: Approved!

3/30/17: NOA2 hard copy received

 

NVC

4/6/2017: Received

4/12/2017: Sent to Riyadh embassy

4/16/2017: Case received at Riyadh embassy

4/21/2017: Request case transfer to Manila, approved 4/24/2017

 

K-1

5/1/2017: Case received by Manila (1 week embassy transfer??? Lucky~)

7/13/2017: Interview: APPROVED!!!

7/19/2017: Visa in hand

8/15/2017: POE

 

 

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@Khallaf, @geowrian thank you both as always.

 

So, assuming the status quo remains:

 

I-751 at Nebraska takes 16.5 to 23.5 months. 

 

N-400 at my local field office takes 3.5 to 12 months. I'll assume a conservative 5 months since my I-485 was completed 2.5 months before the stated processing times; I imagine it wouldn't get to 12 for N-400.

 

Therefore, assuming I get all the forms in as soon as I'm able to, I would likely get both I-751 and N-400 processed at the same time, around 17 months after my 2 year card expires? And as early as 15 months, depending on how N-400 moves along? 

 

Of course anything could happen, so I'm just speaking from the statistical likelihood perspective. 

 

That's not so bad at all. 

 

I've seen people say that submitting N-400 before I-751 is approved may well delay everything further, but that sounds unlikely based on what y'all are saying. 

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Adjusting from TN to GC as spouse of USC

2015-07-24: TN received at CBP

2015-11-23: TN received at CBP - employer change

2017-06-12: Married

2017-08-15: First child

2018-06-25: Mailed I-485, I-864, I-130/I-130A, and I-765 to USCIS

2018-07-03: NOA1 for I-485, I-130, and I-765

2018-07-24: Biometrics appointment

2018-07-25: Biometrics review completed

2018-08-28: Expedite request submitted for EAD via USCIS support line

2018-08-31: Request for additional information for EAD expedite mailed by USCIS

2018-09-07: Request for additional information for EAD expedite received in the mail

2018-09-07: Additional information for EAD expedite faxed to USCIS

2018-09-10: Mailed I-131 to USCIS

2018-09-14: EAD approved

2018-09-18: EAD approval notice received in the mail 

2018-09-18: EAD card was mailed 

2018-09-20: NOA1 for I-131

2018-09-21: EAD and SSN received in the mail

2018-10-11: Case is ready to be scheduled for interview

2018-10-31: Interview is scheduled

2018-11-21: TN expired

2018-12-11: AOS Interview - approved 

2018-12-11: Card is being produced 

2018-12-13: Card was mailed 

2018-12-18: Card received in the mail

------------------

2020-12-11: Conditional green card expires 

 

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Honestly, I haven't seen a case where it's delayed anything. I've seen plenty of people give the advice that it's delayed cases, but I've never really seen anyone say they believe their case was delayed due to applying for Naturalization. (At least not recently, I'm sure I could find someone saying that though)

I have seen people say that they believe their case was sped up, due to the fact their interviews happened faster than those who were waiting on just the I-751 interview that were applied for around the same time.


Note though, that I would take any information you see here with a grain of salt. You can't ROC for another 2 years, and just like any other process, the process can change between now and two years from now. I have seen people ask for advice years before doing something, only to be surprised when the processes change.

Edited by Ash.1101

*More detailed timeline in profile!*
 
Relationship:     Friends since 2010, Together since 2013

The K-1 Process:    Done in 208 days                                               
 

Spoiler

04/27/15- NOA1 Recieved                                                    
06/02/15 - NOA2 Recieved
09/22/15 - Interview       (221g for more documents (a SECOND cosponsor), see profile for more details!)                                            
11/09/15 -  ISSUED!!                                                              
11/10/15 - Passport received                                                
02/20/16 - Wedding!              


                                                
 AOS   Done in 77 days                                                                            
 

Spoiler

04/08/16 - I-485, I-765, I-131 AOS Application recieved by USCIS
04/12/16 - 3 NOA1's received in mail
05/14/16 - Biometrics for AOS and EAD
06/27/16 - I-485 Case to changed to "New Card being produced"  (Day 77)
06/27/16 - I-485 Case changed to Approved! (Day 77)
06/30/16 - I-485 Case changed to "My Card has been mailed to me!"
07/05/16 - Green Card received in mail! 

 



ROC 

05/09/18 - Mailed out ROC to CSC

05/10/18 - CSC Signed and received ROC package
06/07/28 - NOA1 

06/11/18 - Check cashed

06/15/18 - NOA received in the mail
08/27/18 - 18 month extension received (Courtesy Copy)

09/18/18 - Request for official 18 month extension
10/22/18 - Official 18 month extension received 

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10 minutes ago, Ash.1101 said:

Note though, that I would take any information you see here with a grain of salt. You can't ROC for another 2 years, and just like any other process, the process can change between now and two years from now. I have seen people ask for advice years before doing something, only to be surprised when the processes change.

All fair points, thank you! 

 

I guess this is one of those things that won't really change my process unless USCIS changes the rules. It takes what it takes. I'm just curious and antsy :)


Adjusting from TN to GC as spouse of USC

2015-07-24: TN received at CBP

2015-11-23: TN received at CBP - employer change

2017-06-12: Married

2017-08-15: First child

2018-06-25: Mailed I-485, I-864, I-130/I-130A, and I-765 to USCIS

2018-07-03: NOA1 for I-485, I-130, and I-765

2018-07-24: Biometrics appointment

2018-07-25: Biometrics review completed

2018-08-28: Expedite request submitted for EAD via USCIS support line

2018-08-31: Request for additional information for EAD expedite mailed by USCIS

2018-09-07: Request for additional information for EAD expedite received in the mail

2018-09-07: Additional information for EAD expedite faxed to USCIS

2018-09-10: Mailed I-131 to USCIS

2018-09-14: EAD approved

2018-09-18: EAD approval notice received in the mail 

2018-09-18: EAD card was mailed 

2018-09-20: NOA1 for I-131

2018-09-21: EAD and SSN received in the mail

2018-10-11: Case is ready to be scheduled for interview

2018-10-31: Interview is scheduled

2018-11-21: TN expired

2018-12-11: AOS Interview - approved 

2018-12-11: Card is being produced 

2018-12-13: Card was mailed 

2018-12-18: Card received in the mail

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2020-12-11: Conditional green card expires 

 

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6 minutes ago, eckoin said:

All fair points, thank you! 

 

I guess this is one of those things that won't really change my process unless USCIS changes the rules. It takes what it takes. I'm just curious and antsy :)



Yeah, one good example is there were a lot of people who looked at visa processing times a couple of years ago and thought they would have like a 5 month wait for K1 visas or less than a year for CR-1, or even expecting AP/EAD approved in 60 days and then were planning their lives around those very outdated time frames only to be shocked when things were taking on average a year longer than they thought. Two years ago it could take you 5 months from I-129F application to Interview, and 30 day AP/EAD approvals for AOS. Shoot my AOS only took 66 days. Now that's not even close to the case.

I would simply look at requirements now and not worry about time frames. With the rate things are going, the time frames won't even be close to what we're experiencing now.
 

Edited by Ash.1101

*More detailed timeline in profile!*
 
Relationship:     Friends since 2010, Together since 2013

The K-1 Process:    Done in 208 days                                               
 

Spoiler

04/27/15- NOA1 Recieved                                                    
06/02/15 - NOA2 Recieved
09/22/15 - Interview       (221g for more documents (a SECOND cosponsor), see profile for more details!)                                            
11/09/15 -  ISSUED!!                                                              
11/10/15 - Passport received                                                
02/20/16 - Wedding!              


                                                
 AOS   Done in 77 days                                                                            
 

Spoiler

04/08/16 - I-485, I-765, I-131 AOS Application recieved by USCIS
04/12/16 - 3 NOA1's received in mail
05/14/16 - Biometrics for AOS and EAD
06/27/16 - I-485 Case to changed to "New Card being produced"  (Day 77)
06/27/16 - I-485 Case changed to Approved! (Day 77)
06/30/16 - I-485 Case changed to "My Card has been mailed to me!"
07/05/16 - Green Card received in mail! 

 



ROC 

05/09/18 - Mailed out ROC to CSC

05/10/18 - CSC Signed and received ROC package
06/07/28 - NOA1 

06/11/18 - Check cashed

06/15/18 - NOA received in the mail
08/27/18 - 18 month extension received (Courtesy Copy)

09/18/18 - Request for official 18 month extension
10/22/18 - Official 18 month extension received 

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7 minutes ago, Ash.1101 said:



Yeah, one good example is there were a lot of people who looked at visa processing times a couple of years ago and thought they would have like a 5 month wait for K1 visas or less than a year for CR-1, or even expecting AP/EAD approved in 60 days and then were planning their lives around those very outdated time frames only to be shocked when things were taking on average a year longer than they thought. Two years ago it could take you 5 months from I-129F application to Interview, and 30 day AP/EAD approvals for AOS. Shoot my AOS only took 66 days. Now that's not even close to the case.

I would simply look at requirements now and not worry about time frames. With the rate things are going, the time frames won't even be close to what we're experiencing now.
 

I was kind of one of those people. I looked at EAD processing times about two years ago, saw that it was 3-4 months max, and applied 4.5 months before my current status expired because "that's plenty on top". Had to request an expedite--thankfully that went well. Taught me a lesson. 

 

I'm already making a folder of things that are happening after we had the interview. Just a worrywart personality coupled with an extreme planning streak. Helpful sometimes, but unnecessary overall. 


Adjusting from TN to GC as spouse of USC

2015-07-24: TN received at CBP

2015-11-23: TN received at CBP - employer change

2017-06-12: Married

2017-08-15: First child

2018-06-25: Mailed I-485, I-864, I-130/I-130A, and I-765 to USCIS

2018-07-03: NOA1 for I-485, I-130, and I-765

2018-07-24: Biometrics appointment

2018-07-25: Biometrics review completed

2018-08-28: Expedite request submitted for EAD via USCIS support line

2018-08-31: Request for additional information for EAD expedite mailed by USCIS

2018-09-07: Request for additional information for EAD expedite received in the mail

2018-09-07: Additional information for EAD expedite faxed to USCIS

2018-09-10: Mailed I-131 to USCIS

2018-09-14: EAD approved

2018-09-18: EAD approval notice received in the mail 

2018-09-18: EAD card was mailed 

2018-09-20: NOA1 for I-131

2018-09-21: EAD and SSN received in the mail

2018-10-11: Case is ready to be scheduled for interview

2018-10-31: Interview is scheduled

2018-11-21: TN expired

2018-12-11: AOS Interview - approved 

2018-12-11: Card is being produced 

2018-12-13: Card was mailed 

2018-12-18: Card received in the mail

------------------

2020-12-11: Conditional green card expires 

 

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I think there are many variables as far as the speed of processing when you compare one district/area to another. For example here in ND there's 3 maybe 4 naturalization ceremonies per year as opposed to our Minnesotan neighbors who do one or 2 in a month. So knowing that alone I know that my husband and I will have a 8-12 month wait after we file N400 unless the Lord does a miracle and zips us through processing like what happened with our initial green card process.

 

I figure that if citizenship is your ultimate goal at the end of the day what's a couple months more wait compared to never having to deal with immigrations and their wait times ever again? I don't think filing concurrently neither helps nor hurts your overall case. If they're going to taking their sweet-loving time to process your stuff they'll do it with or without the N400/ROC c-c-c-c-combo - but that's just my opinion.

 

I was just like you and started collecting docs and monthly statements right away, even starting the next month after we filed AOS. Way less to print out later, right! Never hurts to be prepared so good for you! My stack of papers is now 3 in thick and keeps growing a little each month.


A Tale of Two Dakotaraguans

K1 Journey - 78 Days

 

Sent I-129F - 11/16/15 [Day 1]
NOA1 - 11/18 (Hard copy: 11/24) [Day 2, Day 8]
NOA2 - 12/18 (Hard copy: 12/26) [Day 32, Day 40]
NVC received file: 1/05/2016 [Day 50]
Obtained NVC invoice number, paid visa fee, filled out DS-160: 1/06 [Day 51]
Fiancé's medical: 1/12 9:00am [Day 57]
Interview: 1/22 9:30am, Approved! [67 days] (F)
Visa status = "AP": 1/25, "Issued":01/27, "In Transit: 2/02"
Visa packet in hand: 2/03 [Day 78]
POE: (Houston) 2/04, North Dakota arrival: 2/05

Married (civil): 2/05/16 (L)

AOS - 55 Days

 

I-485, AP, EAD sent : 3/03/2016 [Day 1]

Delivered: 3/04 [Day 2]

Electronic NOA1: 3/08 [Day 5]

NOA1 Hardcopy: 3/12 [Day 9]

Biometric Notification snail-mail: 3/26 [Day 23]

Biometrics Appt: 4/06 in Fargo, ND [Day 33]

Notification(s): "Your new card is being produced" (Green Card) 4/23 [Day 48]

"Your case was approved" (lol backwards) 4/26 [Day 51]

"Your card was mailed on 4/27" 4/28 [Day 53]

Green Card in Hand: 4/30 [Day 55]

D-day ("Dress day"/I do...again Day/wedding reception): 9/10/16

ROC

Spoiler

Window opens: 1/24/2018

Package sent: 1/26, Delivered: 1/29 at 11:17am to CSC - [Day 1]

Check cashed: 1/31 [Day 3]

NOA1: 1/29 [Day 1]

NOA snail-mail: 2/02 [Day 4]

Biometrics snail-mail: Sent 5/5, received 5/12 [Day 107]

Biometrics appt: Not required

Email: 5/25 "We are still reviewing your case and there are no updates. We last took action on 3/16" [Day 120]

Email 6/8, 6/22, 7/6, 7/20, 8/3 "Still reviewing your case blah blah" [Day 134, 148, 162, 176]

18 Month extension letter received, dated 8/18: 8/24/18

Citizenship

Spoiler

Window opens: 01/24/2019

 

 

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It's mostly dependent on your local office. Charleston has a very favorable pendency time. File N400 as soon as you can and don't think twice about it.


Marriage: 2014-02-23               ROC interview/completed: 2018-08-16 - Albuquerque
CR1 started : 2014-06-06           N400 started: 2018-04-24
CR1 completed/POE : 2015-07-13     N400 interview: 2018-08-16 - Albuquerque
ROC started : 2017-04-14 CSC     Oath ceremony: 2018-09-24 – Santa Fe

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