Democrats Unveil Changes To House Rules On Debt Ceiling, Ethic

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https://www.npr.org/2019/01/02/681547346/democrats-announce-major-changes-to-u-s-house-rules

 

Top Democrats announced late Sunday a series of changes to House rules that could eliminate causes of major instability during the previous eight years of Republican rule in Congress.

"We are proposing historic changes that will modernize Congress, restore regular order and bring integrity back to this institution," said incoming House Rules Chairman James McGovern, D-Mass., in a statement explaining the changes.

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Democrats will revive the "Gephardt Rule," introduced in the late 1970s by Rep. ####### Gephardt, D-Mo., that automatically raises the debt ceiling — the nation's borrowing limit — once the House passes a budget.

House Republicans preferred to force votes to approve debt ceiling increases in an effort to bring more accountability and political pressure to reduce the nation's deficit and debt. However, that decision never resulted in reducing spending and only added to a culture of brinksmanship in recent years that often threatened the U.S. into default on its debts and increased economic uncertainty around the globe.

 

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27 minutes ago, refugee said:

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/02/681547346/democrats-announce-major-changes-to-u-s-house-rules

 

Top Democrats announced late Sunday a series of changes to House rules that could eliminate causes of major instability during the previous eight years of Republican rule in Congress.

"We are proposing historic changes that will modernize Congress, restore regular order and bring integrity back to this institution," said incoming House Rules Chairman James McGovern, D-Mass., in a statement explaining the changes.

...

 

Democrats will revive the "Gephardt Rule," introduced in the late 1970s by Rep. ####### Gephardt, D-Mo., that automatically raises the debt ceiling — the nation's borrowing limit — once the House passes a budget.

House Republicans preferred to force votes to approve debt ceiling increases in an effort to bring more accountability and political pressure to reduce the nation's deficit and debt. However, that decision never resulted in reducing spending and only added to a culture of brinksmanship in recent years that often threatened the U.S. into default on its debts and increased economic uncertainty around the globe.

 

So the Dems are completely honest that they don't care at all about the debt.  Refreshing.

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23 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So the Dems are completely honest that they don't care at all about the debt.  Refreshing.

So the dems are pro debt

Pro Taxes

Pro Illegal immigration 

 

All I need to know

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Doesn’t surprise me at all.  The 2020 dems platform motto should be “Someone Else Will Pay!”

 

Because SEWP is all we will be able to afford.

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57 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So the Dems are completely honest that they don't care at all about the debt.  Refreshing.

 

1 hour ago, refugee said:

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/02/681547346/democrats-announce-major-changes-to-u-s-house-rules

Top Democrats announced late Sunday a series of changes to House rules that could eliminate causes of major instability during the previous eight years of Republican rule in Congress.

"We are proposing historic changes that will modernize Congress, restore regular order and bring integrity back to this institution," said incoming House Rules Chairman James McGovern, D-Mass., in a statement explaining the changes...

Democrats will revive the "Gephardt Rule," introduced in the late 1970s by Rep. ####### Gephardt, D-Mo., that automatically raises the debt ceiling — the nation's borrowing limit — once the House passes a budget.

House Republicans preferred to force votes to approve debt ceiling increases in an effort to bring more accountability and political pressure to reduce the nation's deficit and debt. However, that decision never resulted in reducing spending and only added to a culture of brinksmanship in recent years that often threatened the U.S. into default on its debts and increased economic uncertainty around the globe.

You know what I was pretty much on board with the whole thing until I read the bolded part. That is just plain stupid to say the least. That's like telling a gambling/shopping addict that "the limit is there to spend up to that amount but don't worry because it will get raised when you need it". 

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1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

So the Dems are completely honest that they don't care at all about the debt.  Refreshing.

 

  Republicans don't care about the debt either. Trump has admitted as much on various occasions. By their actions alone, very few politicians anywhere in the modern world care about running a deficit, which is why most countries are in debt and most politicians in those countries still get reelected over and over.

 

  I'm not sure why people bring this up even. If you prefer Republicans over Democrats on their approach to debt, all you are saying is you would rather be lied to than hear the truth.

 

  The debt crisis will explode one day. Whoever is in office at that time will deal with the reality of that. I would not expect any politician to make a serious run at tackling it ahead of that time. Even if someone tries, it's going to be like opening a parachute 10 feet before you hit the ground. The reality is, that ship has sailed. 

  

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11 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Republicans don't care about the debt either. Trump has admitted as much on various occasions. By their actions alone, very few politicians anywhere in the modern world care about running a deficit, which is why most countries are in debt and most politicians in those countries still get reelected over and over.

  I'm not sure why people bring this up even. If you prefer Republicans over Democrats on their approach to debt, all you are saying is you would rather be lied to than hear the truth.

  The debt crisis will explode one day. Whoever is in office at that time will deal with the reality of that. I would not expect any politician to make a serious run at tackling it ahead of that time. Even if someone tries, it's going to be like opening a parachute 10 feet before you hit the ground. The reality is, that ship has sailed. 

I am in full agreement with you on this and it's sad all the way around. Nobody on EITHER SIDE has seriously wanted to tackle this issue at all.

If we try to approach the debt at all you will have people on all sides will be crying to high heaven about how it is literally killing people. But we NEED to deal with it before it explodes on us. 

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16 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Republicans don't care about the debt either. Trump has admitted as much on various occasions. By their actions alone, very few politicians anywhere in the modern world care about running a deficit, which is why most countries are in debt and most politicians in those countries still get reelected over and over.

 

  I'm not sure why people bring this up even. If you prefer Republicans over Democrats on their approach to debt, all you are saying is you would rather be lied to than hear the truth.

 

  The debt crisis will explode one day. Whoever is in office at that time will deal with the reality of that. I would not expect any politician to make a serious run at tackling it ahead of that time. Even if someone tries, it's going to be like opening a parachute 10 feet before you hit the ground. The reality is, that ship has sailed. 

  

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I think what returning to the Gephardt rule means is that we wont have this shutdown nonsense with small groups of individuals derailing bill payment because of some axe to grind. 

This is not the first shutdown that occurred over debates that were not even financial in nature. Remember when the US used to have a AAA credit rating?  Now ours trails Canada and Finland.

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25 minutes ago, refugee said:

I think what returning to the Gephardt rule means is that we wont have this shutdown nonsense with small groups of individuals derailing bill payment because of some axe to grind. 

This is not the first shutdown that occurred over debates that were not even financial in nature. Remember when the US used to have a AAA credit rating?  Now ours trails Canada and Finland.

Thanks Obama

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1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Republicans don't care about the debt either. Trump has admitted as much on various occasions. By their actions alone, very few politicians anywhere in the modern world care about running a deficit, which is why most countries are in debt and most politicians in those countries still get reelected over and over.

 

  I'm not sure why people bring this up even. If you prefer Republicans over Democrats on their approach to debt, all you are saying is you would rather be lied to than hear the truth.

 

  The debt crisis will explode one day. Whoever is in office at that time will deal with the reality of that. I would not expect any politician to make a serious run at tackling it ahead of that time. Even if someone tries, it's going to be like opening a parachute 10 feet before you hit the ground. The reality is, that ship has sailed. 

  

I agree that almost all the elected Washington politicians of both parties don’t care about the debt, but I am not in favor of eliminating the need to vote on a debt ceiling increase.  Heck, Nancy claims she wants to be transparency, why not continue to have the debt ceiling increase votes on the record?

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52 minutes ago, refugee said:

I think what returning to the Gephardt rule means is that we wont have this shutdown nonsense with small groups of individuals derailing bill payment because of some axe to grind. 

This is not the first shutdown that occurred over debates that were not even financial in nature. Remember when the US used to have a AAA credit rating?  Now ours trails Canada and Finland.

I don’t believe this shut down had anything to do with raising the debt ceiling, so I am not sure what you mean?

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20 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I don’t believe this shut down had anything to do with raising the debt ceiling, so I am not sure what you mean?

The shutdown in Jan to Oct 2013 was the one that tanked our credit rating. That fight  was over extending the debt ceiling.

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1 hour ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

I am in full agreement with you on this and it's sad all the way around. Nobody on EITHER SIDE has seriously wanted to tackle this issue at all.

If we try to approach the debt at all you will have people on all sides will be crying to high heaven about how it is literally killing people. But we NEED to deal with it before it explodes on us. 

 

  The problem with the debt its it's like having a guy who weighs 800 pounds and knows he needs to lose weight. He goes to the doctor and the doctor says follow a strict miserable diet for a year and with a little luck you will be down to 799 pounds. We all know the debt is one of those things that we need to take care of, and that it's going to hurt worse the longer we let it go, but I think a lot of politicians take the approach right now that hopefully they will be dead of old age before the worst hits.

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23 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  The problem with the debt its it's like having a guy who weighs 800 pounds and knows he needs to lose weight. He goes to the doctor and the doctor says follow a strict miserable diet for a year and with a little luck you will be down to 799 pounds. We all know the debt is one of those things that we need to take care of, and that it's going to hurt worse the longer we let it go, but I think a lot of politicians take the approach right now that hopefully they will be dead of old age before the worst hits.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

And honestly? That's sort of how a lot of Americans seem to think about it too, especially some within the older generation that have enjoyed a safety net. Whenever I tend to have conversations about the situation with older people they get really adamant and angry that their medicare and social security not be cut at the expense of the younger and future generations. As my dad said.... ''well I don't really care about the future and how it will effect the remaining generations because I won't be around''. I remind him that medicare pretty much paid for the burden of all of mom's cancer care (and continues to), and when I'm old, likely this won't be the case. But yeah... that doesn't matter at all, when people don't want to care about life down the road or for others. It's all about what's in it for them now. And yes, the younger generation can be this way too, in the desire to spend more liberally. But at this point... older generations that claimed they were all for fiscal conservatism is pretty much dead. It's all about spendin' and ridin' the wave into the ground.