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Trump: End birthright citizenship for some US-born babies

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1 minute ago, Marty Byrde said:

And just like that, the MDL doesn't like EO any more

So, Republican conservatives like EO's again?

 

 

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I saw the headlines this morning and knew there would be a topic started here.   Just so people know, there are about 35 countries that have unrestricted birthright citizenship. If you see t

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Actually I totally agree with ending Jus Soli in both the USA and Canada.  I believe you should have at least 1 parent of that citizenship to acquire that citizenship and I agree with the current reco

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We are Anti-Illegal Immigrant. That facts keeps getting lost. Most of us are married to legal immigrants 

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I'm of the opinion that all politicians lie or act on things that would cater to their fanbase. Hence, I don't really base my opinions on what politicians themselves say and prefer to do my own research.

 

But, yeah, he should definitely tweet less and stop provoking hateful rhetoric against specific groups of people.

 

 

But Trump is not just a lying, he's shameless about his lies and he doesn't lie just occasionally, he lies all the time.

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I would have thought this was a subject both Parties could agree on.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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7 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I would have thought this was a subject both Parties could agree on.

That the Executive Order is unconstitutional? Or that the ban on birthright citizenship is agreeable?

 

 

 

 

 

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And there are so many silences to be broken.”

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11 minutes ago, lierre said:

That the Executive Order is unconstitutional? Or that the ban on birthright citizenship is agreeable?

 

 

 

 

 

The later.

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3 minutes ago, Satisfied said:

Reminds one of Obama, eh?  And Bush?

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7 minutes ago, Boiler said:

The later.

 

Haven't read much on whether major parties are at odds internally about this. I just saw Paul Ryan's reaction to the potential EO.

 

With the history behind the 14th Amendment and anything constitution-related really, I never expect things to be smooth politically, lol.

 

Take for instance, the 2nd Amendment, interpretations of it vary. Some Republicans are against toy guns in schools while others are all for it, citing that it's a violation of the 2nd.

 

 

 

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What percentage of the population would vote for Birthright Citizenship? Tiny.

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18 minutes ago, Boiler said:

What percentage of the population would vote for Birthright Citizenship? Tiny.

What assumptions are you relying on for that conclusion?

 

 

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1 minute ago, lierre said:

What assumptions are you relying on for that conclusion?

 

 

Most people are basically sensible.

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5 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Most people are basically sensible.

 

Not trying to rile you up. But that made me laugh so hard.

 

i guess I have a more bleak view of people than you do.

 

 

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3 hours ago, lierre said:

 

Not trying to rile you up. But that made me laugh so hard.

 

i guess I have a more bleak view of people than you do.

 

 

I agree with him.  Logic tends to prevail, minus the wailing, gnashing of teeth, and histrionics some exhibit. I mean, look at the margin by which Hillary won the election.

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22 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Here's an absolutely amazing analysis of the mentioned Executive Order:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/10/birthright-citizenship-arguments-constitutional-requirement/

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