Trump's future immigration policies- speculation MEGATHREAD

[Transborderwife 4,666]

Just now, Mike and Lily said:

We have both F2B and F4 petitions in the works. Neither of which will be offered if this new bill becomes law. Will these applications still be processed if this new law goes into effect?

I doubt that they'd cancel applications in progress 

[Dutchster 1,106]

IF it goes in effect. I have my doubts x10000000

[charmander 692]

1 hour ago, Transborderwife said:

I doubt that they'd cancel applications in progress 

I am not sure about pending petitions. Yesterday's news was talking about it would cut legal immigration by 41% in first year. They must be taking into account it would eliminate all pending petitions. If they just stop taking application but still continue to process the pending ones, some country's sibling petitions take more than 20 years. But then it is again not clear what they would be with the already-paid filing fees if they were to revoke pending applications.

[__immigrant__ 58]

52 minutes ago, charmander said:

I am not sure about pending petitions. Yesterday's news was talking about it would cut legal immigration by 41% in first year. They must be taking into account it would eliminate all pending petitions. If they just stop taking application but still continue to process the pending ones, some country's sibling petitions take more than 20 years. But then it is again not clear what they would be with the already-paid filing fees if they were to revoke pending applications.

That would be a huge problem, if they would cancel all pending petitions that would cost a lot to refund people because it's not people's fault that a new law was approved. and if they would not cancel the pending petitions so the USCIS still will have to deal with sibling, parent, adult children petitions for more than 20 years from now.

Nothing is clear now, I think they would accept some of the bill which is about the workers, but no one knows. Everyone thought that the Congress last time was about to repeal and replace ACA but it failed.

[Transborderwife 4,666]

26 minutes ago, abe&kari said:

That would be a huge problem, if they would cancel all pending petitions that would cost a lot to refund people because it's not people's fault that a new law was approved. and if they would not cancel the pending petitions so the USCIS still will have to deal with sibling, parent, adult children petitions for more than 20 years from now.

Nothing is clear now, I think they would accept some of the bill which is about the workers, but no one knows. Everyone thought that the Congress last time was about to repeal and replace ACA but it failed.

I could see them getting away with not refunding.  However it isn't going to happen.

[Going through 5,668]

Saw this little tidbit in an article...found it interesting, never thought of it from the employer's angle:

 

"If the RAISE Act were made law as it stands now, the consequences could be dire as advanced companies faced new barriers in hiring workers, making it easier for our competitors in China, India, and Europe to beat us in trade. Total immigration would be reduced, but illegal immigration would probably rise. Overall, the American economy would suffer, even its blue-collar workers."

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

12 hours ago, Coco8 said:

Really? I thought the financial sponsor was responsible until the GC holder became a citizen or had worked for 10 years. Something of the sort.

 

Well, basically the whole law is a big mess. It seems written by someone who has no clue about the laws and regulations to show off to their ignorant constituency. It doesn't surprise me.

 

That point system is also absurd. They give 10 points for being young and 25 points for a Nobel Prize? That is not even comparable. Besides, if you get the Nobel Prize you can get a GC through EB1 without having to go through this silly system.

 

The point system is ridiculous, I agree.

The whole thing appeals to Trump's base and that is why he misleads with the "immigrants immediately going on welfare" which is another

one of his lies, however the average person does not know that the 5 year law already exists. Crazy !

 

[Going through 5,668]

Just now, Ebunoluwa said:

 

The point system is ridiculous, I agree.

The whole thing appeals to Trump's base and that is why he misleads with the "immigrants immediately going on welfare" which is another

one of his lies, however the average person does not know that the 5 year law already exists. Crazy !

 

shhhh....."alternative facts",  not "lies"..... 

[Going through 5,668]

Seriously, though.  

 

Does anyone really believe that Trump has suddenly become so well-versed in how the legal immigration process actually works in the first place?  

It sounds like all of his proposed regulations are just off-the-cuff ideas based on wanting to copy how another country does things, without finding out what sort of regulations are actually already in place.

 

It was like when he proposed "stricter vetting of immigrants"...uhm...yeah, because we haven't already been strictly vetted for a year or more already.

 

I honestly think that Trump imagines the immigration process as someone just filling out an application and then USCIS throwing a party for them a week afterwards with cake, balloons and a gift-wrapped Citizenship Certificate...

 

[Mike and Lily 13]

Political refugees DO go on welfare as soon as they are admitted, that's a fact. And the points system is actually a good thing, but we need more immigrants to grow this country, not cut the amount in half. But we need the right kind of immigrants, not illegals or refugees.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

8 hours ago, Going through said:

Remember, the new White House likes fear-mongering....the campaign was built off of fear-mongering, too.  His speech yesterday touched on fear-mongering again.  By fear-mongering he maintains the same support base that bought into his fear-mongering during his campaign.  Makes sense.

 

GC applicants running to apply for welfare the moment they cross the border is what he wants people to think.

Immigration benefits being an easy-peasy thing for "just anyone" to get is what he wants people to think.

Immigrants being uneducated, mostly criminals, non-English speaking and never working a day in their lives is what he wants people to think.

 

I think the White House is forgetting that the new regulations not only affect GC and visa applicants...more importantly, the White House is forgetting that the new regulations also greatly affect US CITIZENS who want to apply for immigration benefits on their loved one's behalf...the same Citizens who will be casting their votes during elections.  The same Citizens who will be pressing their congress representatives and senators to not support these new regulations.

 

This legislation as it stands is not going to be passed...if it does?  It will be an extremely watered-down version of what he is initially proposing.

 

I totally agree.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

28 minutes ago, Mike and Lily said:

Political refugees DO go on welfare as soon as they are admitted, that's a fact. And the points system is actually a good thing, but we need more immigrants to grow this country, not cut the amount in half. But we need the right kind of immigrants, not illegals or refugees.

Aside from a moral obligation to take in refugees ( numbers open to discussion ) this country is not based on " the right kind of immigrants equals the rich.

Nobody is saying bring in illegals. 

Every human being has something to offer, I find that people who came over as the poorest work their butts off to become entrepreneurs with varies businesses, creating jobs and working in the blue collar and service industries. Balance is the key not some stupid point system. 

These poor people work harder than many lazy Americans on welfare. 

[Mike and Lily 13]

4 hours ago, Mike and Lily said:

We have both F2B and F4 petitions in the works. Neither of which will be offered if this new bill becomes law. Will these applications still be processed if this new law goes into effect?

I actually found the answer to my own question.

 

https://www.cotton.senate.gov/files/documents/170802_New_RAISE_Act_Section_by_Section.pdf

 

"Section 4(e) grandfathers in potential immigrants awaiting entry under immigration categories

eliminated by the RAISE Act if their entry into the United States is scheduled to occur within one

year of the RAISE Act’s enactment."

 

We would be out of luck then if this bill passes anytime soon in it's current form. Our F2B applications have a priority date of 8/13. My wife's brother and sister wouldn't likely enter the USA until 2020.

 

 

[Going through 5,668]

1 hour ago, Mike and Lily said:

Political refugees DO go on welfare as soon as they are admitted, that's a fact. And the points system is actually a good thing, but we need more immigrants to grow this country, not cut the amount in half. But we need the right kind of immigrants, not illegals or refugees.

I agree, illegals should not be in this country.  With this new regulation Trump is choosing to target the people who want to do it legally, instead of illegals.

 

Seems counterproductive to me; making it completely impossible for some groups of people to legally immigrate will only amount in more people searching for illegal ways to come across.

 

 

 

[Transborderwife 4,666]

1 hour ago, Mike and Lily said:

Political refugees DO go on welfare as soon as they are admitted, that's a fact. And the points system is actually a good thing, but we need more immigrants to grow this country, not cut the amount in half. But we need the right kind of immigrants, not illegals or refugees.

Let's keep on topic and not turn things into a soap box.  Plenty of other places for that.