Trump's published Immigration policies MEGATHREAD

[yuna628 9,546]

1 minute ago, Ash.1101 said:

They can say they'll let GC holders in, but at the end of the day the EO says it affects all non-USC's and all "aliens" which a green card holder is considered under.

I see CBP officers taking advantage of this. They're literally giving them the "it's totally okay to hold them, no worries" but then telling us that you can get through with a GC and be from one of those countries.

Clearly they think we're all stupid.

Considering the average American has no clue about immigration to begin with....

 

... yes they do think we're all stupid.

[Toxiichoney 11]

5 minutes ago, Ash.1101 said:

It was a stay on the order, the only people that are allowed in the US were those already in the US being detained at the border. If CBP feels they need to be held for longer, they can.

NO ONE should be allowed on planes as of yesterday, and if they get in after this stay was signed and were not in the original detained bunch, they will be held or turned back around. Overall, they shouldn't be allowed on the plane to begin with.

The only stragglers per say should say be those who are coming in by car from mexico or canada, green card holders but from the banned countries. There will be a point where NO ONE from the banned countries should be on a plane to come in. That's what the goal in this whole scheme is..



I know at the moment they are saying that some elderly iranian folk are trying to be sent back at San Fran airport.

Thank you for clearing this up. 

[Lemonslice 4,588]

Ruling is a bit different in federal court here

http://www.wbur.org/news/2017/01/29/boston-ruling-trump-executive-order

 

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Two federal judges in Boston have issued a temporary stay on a controversial executive order from President Trump.

The ruling puts a seven-day hold on enforcement of Trump's order, which, in part, blocked travelers from seven majority-Muslim countries.

According to the attorneys who pushed for the ruling, some parts of it have nationwide effects, while other parts are local to Massachusetts.

The ruling, according to the attorneys, states that no approved refugee, holder of a valid visa, lawful permanent resident or traveler from the seven majority-Muslim nations can — for the next seven days — be detained or removed due to Trump's executive order anywhere in the United States.

The ruling also instructs Customs and Border Protection officials to notify international airlines that have flights to Logan Airport that individuals on those flights will not be detained or returned based solely on Trump's order.

 

[big_promise 2]

6 minutes ago, medicalguy said:

In other news, they just announced that Green Card holders will no longer be affected by this dumb @$$ policy going forward, but who knows if they change this again:

The administration announced that green card holders are eligible to request exemption from blanket inadmissibility on a case-by-case basis, not that they won't be affected. It sounds like they may still be subject to far more extreme vetting than they would have received a few days ago. Various tweets from the activist community indicate that hard secondary with bizarre sets of ideological questioning and electronic media searches may now be mandatory for blacklisted green card holders. (Actually, CNN is reporting that some in the administration may want those electronic media searches to extend far beyond the seven countries from the original VWP enhancements list...)

 

[Ash.1101 1,755]

1 minute ago, Lemonslice said:

Ruling is a bit different in federal court here

http://www.wbur.org/news/2017/01/29/boston-ruling-trump-executive-order

 

 

Is there an article from any other site? Never seen this website before and unsure to trust it. lol

[big_promise 2]

1 minute ago, Lemonslice said:

Ruling is a bit different in federal court here

http://www.wbur.org/news/2017/01/29/boston-ruling-trump-executive-order

 

 

I'm also trying to figure out what the Massachusetts ruling means. My read of it is that Iranian tourist, student, diversity and other visa holders should be able to board the Turkish or Emirates flights direct to Logan and be OK for the next seven days, but have no idea whether CBP or the airlines/contractors/IAP are adopting the same interpretation.

[Lemonslice 4,588]

2 minutes ago, Ash.1101 said:

Is there an article from any other site? Never seen this website before and unsure to trust it. lol

Local station.

 

Also: http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/01/29/judges-put-temporary-stop-trump-immigration-order/UQiz2kEXJMDQHuiIFoguuJ/story.html

 

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/01/29/boston-federal-judge-blocks-trump-immigration-plan-muslim-ban-logan-airport/

 

 

 

 

[yuna628 9,546]

1 minute ago, big_promise said:

I'm also trying to figure out what the Massachusetts ruling means. My read of it is that Iranian tourist, student, diversity and other visa holders should be able to board the Turkish or Emirates flights direct to Logan and be OK for the next seven days, but have no idea whether CBP or the airlines/contractors/IAP are adopting the same interpretation.

I certainly would assume nothing. To me it sounds currently as if the CBP are behaving in contempt of court, and making it up as they go along.

[Ash.1101 1,755]

Honestly that makes me worry.


I think that people need to be VERY cautious with this information.

In another thread already, people were telling someone to first jump countries and try to fly from another place, and two, try to fly into Boston. This could be dangerous information if not cleared up, and it could harm a lot of people than help if it's not correct.

[cdneh 3,112]

Currently, the smart money is on not traveling until the entire thing is straightened out. I don't think it's right to subject current visa holders or green card holders, or anyone else with the proper paperwork out. Or in for that matter.

 

1 minute ago, Lemonslice said:

Ruling is a bit different in federal court here

http://www.wbur.org/news/2017/01/29/boston-ruling-trump-executive-order

 

 

The trouble with that is, the ruling has no teeth.  They cannot halt or revoke an executive order. Only Congress (or the Supreme court based on the unconstitutional content of the order, which this isn't) has the power to overturn an executive order by passing legislation that invalidates it. Congress can also refuse to provide funding necessary to carry out certain policy measures contained with the order or to legitimize policy mechanisms. In the case of the former, the president retains the power to veto such a decision; however, the Congress may override a veto with a two-thirds majority to end an executive order. It has been argued that a congressional override of an executive order is a nearly impossible event, due to the supermajority vote required and the fact that such a vote leaves individual lawmakers vulnerable to political criticism. And who has the majority in congress?

[Ash.1101 1,755]

There are so many legs to the bug when it comes to this.

You have these people saying it's okay to fly into Boston, but...

well what if that's not your POE? What do THOSE CBP know? What do the people boarding the plane outside the US know? I saw that someone was a visa holder and REMOVED from the plane after getting on the plane.

If the head has no idea ####### it's doing, how is the body suppose to act accordingly?

[Lemonslice 4,588]

1 minute ago, Ash.1101 said:

Honestly that makes me worry.


I think that people need to be VERY cautious with this information.

In another thread already, people were telling someone to first jump countries and try to fly from another place, and two, try to fly into Boston. This could be dangerous information if not cleared up, and it could harm a lot of people than help if it's not correct.

I'm not saying it will change anything, or how things will go.  Just sharing the info.

 

[Ash.1101 1,755]

Just now, Lemonslice said:

I'm not saying it will change anything, or how things will go.  Just sharing the info.

 

You're good! =] More infos the only way we'll learn anything here.

[cdneh 3,112]

2 minutes ago, Ash.1101 said:

Honestly that makes me worry.


I think that people need to be VERY cautious with this information.

In another thread already, people were telling someone to first jump countries and try to fly from another place, and two, try to fly into Boston. This could be dangerous information if not cleared up, and it could harm a lot of people than help if it's not correct.

That's the worry, isn't it. Hysteria, misinformation,  rhetoric, hyperbole.

[Ash.1101 1,755]

6 minutes ago, cdneh said:

That's the worry, isn't it. Hysteria, misinformation,  rhetoric, hyperbole.

Yeah man. People telling others it's okay to fly into X place, do Y thing. People are scared and if you tell them an option they feel is viable, they may just go for it and forget the consequences when the consequences literally could ruin their lives.

Honestly the best advice to anyone holding a passport from one of those countries, even a dual citizen one, is do not leave the country until this is fixed, and to those out of the country, buckle up and wait because America has lost its dang mind. People are fighting for you, lawyers are trying their best, but it's like a hydra, every time we think we get rid of an issue, another pops up and it's worse.


And on forums like this, they're just to big to stop everyone from doing this advice.


 

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Thanks for all replies to my post. Im in a very bad situation. I cant concentrate on whole text. Can you tell me a little breif that now i can travel to los angeles via boston?? 

They wont reject me in boarding time you mean?

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To clarify it sounds like you may have already needed to be in transit do the entrance to Boston to work but I would call the airline ( Turkish Airlines I assume ) and see if they have been updated with the mandate and see if they can possibly route you to Boston even if on another carrier. I know airline carriers were offereing refunds and re accommodating passengers in these situations yesterday. Certainly won't hurt to give your airline a call to see if this Boston thing would be valid for you.

Edited January 29, 2017 by Ash.1101