Discrimination on ap that's all

[RPGwriter 2]

You've got a point. You can't prove a negative. But if AP is just to keep muslims and other races out of the USA because the USA is so racist, why do other's from the same country get in without an extended period on AP? In fact if we're so racist, why don't we just say sorry wrong color, or sorry wrong religion? Do you guys really think there wouldn't be a swarm of lawyers on this filing suits if such a thing as institutional racism was going on with AP?

I wasn't really addressing all that. I was just addressing that one specific argument. I'm not really trying to take sides in this.

I get the impression stuff varies from embassy to embassy, and case officer to case officer. I imagine that racism at least subtly influences things in some cases, but that it's not a monolithic thing. In fact, I'd imagine that on an institutional level, most of the embassy staff are less likely to act on racist impulses due to extensive training on the subject.

[Caryh 5,206]

Hi guys can I ask a question?

Why if my father have criminal record isn't clean they put me in AP???When mine is clean and perfect?! someone have any ideas?

Maybe daughter must pay for the mistakes of his father and can't get a visa??? It's crazy!!

No one really knows why they choose people to go into AP. Could be someone with the same name as you has a criminal past. Could be a similar or same name is on the current watch list. Might be they think you might already be married, or might have committed a crime that would deny you entry. Depending on his criminal past, what and when, maybe they want to make sure you were not involved in it. All we can be sure of is they're not sure of something, and won't approve or deny until they have that answer. They won't say why you're in it, even after they've completed the investigation. I hope you're not stuck there too long. Good luck.

[Caryh 5,206]

I wasn't really addressing all that. I was just addressing that one specific argument. I'm not really trying to take sides in this.

I get the impression stuff varies from embassy to embassy, and case officer to case officer. I imagine that racism at least subtly influences things in some cases, but that it's not a monolithic thing. In fact, I'd imagine that on an institutional level, most of the embassy staff are less likely to act on racist impulses due to extensive training on the subject.

It wouldn't surprise me either if a CO made a decision based on some prejudice either. But I'd also assume even beyond the training, they must have some attachment to the country and its people, or why are they even there? I mean they live in the country they're working in. I assume many that are not married end up married to someone in that country if they stay there long enough.

[dwheels76 5,463]

Hi guys can I ask a question?

Why if my father have criminal record isn't clean they put me in AP???When mine is clean and perfect?! someone have any ideas?

Maybe daughter must pay for the mistakes of his father and can't get a visa??? It's crazy!!

Remember the question on the application was did you benefit from the drug trafficking crime and you said yes. So now I would gather they are investigating to what extent or the status of your father.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

No, that's not discrimination. For many, if not most, people, having children together is part of married life. And in many cultures-especially where fraud is high-there is a religious as well as cultural obligation to have children. It's not discrimination to ask if you've thought about cultural and religious pressures and do you have an answer for that. (Does he want kids, do you, how will religious mandates be filled, etc.) It is, very frankly, the duty of the officer to make sure you two are on the same page regarding your relationship, and many (many!) people don't discuss things like children and reproduction until after they're married.

And it's not just because where you're from. My husband is almost 10 years younger than I am, is a well-educated white Australian, and he faced the exact same question about age difference and children in Sydney.

Is where you're from affecting things? Probably; as you noted, it's hard to get tourist VISAs when you live in a high fraud country, because it's a high fraud country. Again, be mad at the people who are from the Dominican Republic and abuse the tourist program, not the person who is doing their job (and asking the questions that get asked to many people).

This is 2014. Many people decide not to have children and the field manual to suggest that an age gap is an indication for fraud

is outdated. It may be the duty of an officer to make sure the two are 'on the same page' but frankly it is my opinion that it is

not the governments business if I want to procreate, adopt or not have any children at all and raise petunias instead.

It still is not the governments business !

It is about meeting requirements with good quality supporting evidence and meeting eligibility, not about being a fully functioning

baby making machine. The age gap discrimination is absurd. This cultural village mentality should not be a yard stick

to measure the "norm" with.

I am an individual and not the norm. I do not fit in your box.

Judge me as an individual and from the evidence I have submitted, not some dusty old colonial field manual.

A memo that went out to all consulates stated that a conoff is not to re adjudicate an approved petition and must have

factual evidence without personal bias, assumptions and speculative reasons to refuse a visa.

What we see time and time again is just that : a personal biased belief, assumptions and speculation.

I am not talking about national security, background checks, I am talking about sitting in AP for 16 long months and then

being refused on a "gut feeling."

That has to stop. Laws need to be changed to not give a conoff such wide discretionary powers they run wild with.

It may be on the books now but that does not mean it can't be changed and transcend into the modern age.

The old yard stick to measure fraud with and keep fraud out is no longer working, scammers come in and genuine couples are getting the run-around. Age gap discrimination is wrong.

Time for change.

[Ilovemyman 147]

In my case with ap they are safing the country of what?

From a math teacher without criminal records?

They have all papers that show that I am no a criminal and overall before people go to the interview they know all about that person, with their agency they investigate everybody and read all the e-mail and social media of everybody.

We use the internet but usa governement spy everybody so if a person isnt a criminal or supicous of terrorisme why after a consular officer approved put the person in ap?

The long time that they take to issue a visa show their incapacity of investigate and that they areineficient doing their job.

Like tgey take care about people that are going to flight there, they need take of all the crazy people that live there and have weapons and can get very easy weapons to kill people in school , university, park, restaurant, store.

Usa is full of people with weapons , a good % of them are pure american no inmigrant.

When a young boy of 17 years or less can have a weapon and go to any school and kill students , they need think where are the dangerous people.

Edited June 19, 2014 by Ilovemyman

[cdneh 3,112]

All arguments, for and against, are really quite moot. They put people, including me, into AP, and when they are done they cut you loose. Until then, you wait.

[thedude6752000 360]

You've got a point. You can't prove a negative. But if AP is just to keep muslims and other races out of the USA because the USA is so racist, why do other's from the same country get in without an extended period on AP? In fact if we're so racist, why don't we just say sorry wrong color, or sorry wrong religion? Do you guys really think there wouldn't be a swarm of lawyers on this filing suits if such a thing as institutional racism was going on with AP?

There have been, and they have always sided with the government. Look up "consular non-reviewability" as Orwellian as that sounds.

[thedude6752000 360]

No one really knows why they choose people to go into AP. Could be someone with the same name as you has a criminal past. Could be a similar or same name is on the current watch list. Might be they think you might already be married, or might have committed a crime that would deny you entry. Depending on his criminal past, what and when, maybe they want to make sure you were not involved in it. All we can be sure of is they're not sure of something, and won't approve or deny until they have that answer. They won't say why you're in it, even after they've completed the investigation. I hope you're not stuck there too long. Good luck.

Remember kiddies, Big Brother loves you and Big Brother knows best.

[Avery Cates 1,141]

That's what you just did. There's no proof that AP times prevented this from happening. There's no proof that anyone actualy _tried_ to do it and were blocked by the AP. You could just as easily argue that the AP thing keeps werewolves from entering our country, because we haven't had any werewolf attacks since the Patriot Act.

I wasn't going to mention the werewolves, but since it's out there I will point out that I don't have any of those equally undesirable things in my neighborhood.

To the continued success of AP!

[Ilovemyman 147]

I wasn't going to mention the werewolves, but since it's out there I will point out that I don't have any of those equally undesirable things in my neighborhood.

To the continued success of AP!

Does ap prevent usa from the crazy american that have weapons and go to school, university, store or park and kil inocent people?

Ap doesnt prevent usa from kids, or teenager that go to school with weapons.

Kids, teenager, or people who kill a lot people on school, university , store or park arent inmigrant , they are just crazy american that can acce to weapon very easy.

In usa there are a lot of crazy with weapons and people dont know when they can atack and kill them

[Jawaree 717]

In that case not just ppl with muslim names are discriminated against

as suggested ( sml % of it does boil down to discrimination) however

it is about Security of its citizens...How about the (so call ) 3rd world

countries whose citizens R made to jump thru more hurdles than say

a person from from the UK or Japan....even the countries that have its

citizens paper-work orderly etc....Is that discrimination or not? ...Yes it

seem unfair but some of these countries run games to beat the process

for immigration benefits...not all their citizens do it, but its a reality that

DOS is very aware of and will always check it out even if there are delays.

[Cathi 5,613]

Does ap prevent usa from the crazy american that have weapons and go to school, university, store or park and kil inocent people?

Ap doesnt prevent usa from kids, or teenager that go to school with weapons.

Kids, teenager, or people who kill a lot people on school, university , store or park arent inmigrant , they are just crazy american that can acce to weapon very easy.

In usa there are a lot of crazy with weapons and people dont know when they can atack and kill them

Your point? The US is trying to prevent MORE crazies into the country. That's why we have AP

[cdneh 3,112]

Does ap prevent usa from the crazy american that have weapons and go to school, university, store or park and kil inocent people?

Ap doesnt prevent usa from kids, or teenager that go to school with weapons.

Kids, teenager, or people who kill a lot people on school, university , store or park arent inmigrant , they are just crazy american that can acce to weapon very easy.

In usa there are a lot of crazy with weapons and people dont know when they can atack and kill them

"Crazy Americans" with guns aren't trying to get a visa to get in here now are they. They would never BE subject to AP. That's what we are discussing here after all. Isn't it?

Edited June 19, 2014 by cdneh

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

For too many AP lasts over 6 months up to several years. Anyone should be able to handle a reasonable amount of time of AP

but years, give me 3-6 months I am cool with that. Based on assumptions and without factual evidence dragging it out is not right.
The AP process is shrouded in mystery and there is no transparency, obvious for a few cases but not so for many others where it is routine.

If it is not completed after so and so many weeks/months then they need to approve unless there is FACTUAL evidence

and reasons to deny not because of mere speculation or a 'gut feeling' of the CO that was actually yesterdays beans he ate.

Lawyers are powerless because if they file a writ mandamus, the consulate can just deny because they want to.

Nothing except awareness can bring about change.

I have contacted my representative/senators and made them aware. If everyone else would too instead of just going with the flow
rowing down the river of deNile we may see change in the future. Instead people moan and groan about it but aren't active to make their

politicians aware and as soon as they themselves are out of AP they forget the others coming behind them.

I know that there is no known quota for certain countries and quotas are for other visa types but I wouldn't be

surprised at all if years down the road we will be enlightened to there being an unknown, not public knowledge quota count

for K1's and spousal visas and AP is used to deter and discourage to keep immigration numbers in check, especially from certain countries.
Of course the US would not want to admit to such discrimination as a leading nation if it is indeed so.

Going on a wild goose chase for months and years is just not my idea of a functional efficient immigration process.

Government consists of people. People aren't perfect ! There is always room for improvement.

Just because someone criticizes this country's AP process does not mean they should think twice about coming here, that is just

a ridiculous conclusion and I read it here more than once over and over again.
To those content with status quo who aren't even in AP themselves, I say get stuck in this black hole for a year and a half and then

come and tell me how great and necessary the process is.
Why do those who never have walked a mile in someone's AP shoes always cry the loudest that there is nothing wrong with it ?