Woman 'denied a termination' dies in hospital

[justashooter 430]

The law is based on religious beliefs.

so if i go to a muslim country under islamic law i can tell them "it's not fair" and "i don't like it" and they should change for me? or is it only christians that must bow to the will of other peoples?

ask me why i've refused to work in countries under islamic law for money that you could only dream about...

[Penny Lane 8,159]

so if i go to a muslim country under islamic law i can tell them "it's not fair" and "i don't like it" and they should change for me? or is it only christians that must bow to the will of other peoples?

ask me why i've refused to work in countries under islamic law for money that you could only dream about...

We're all very impressed.

[Peter_Pan 661]

Phew, if it were my daughter, I would take a gun to that hospital. God's will, no?

[justashooter 430]

This is what happens once someone allows religion to trump logic. In order to believe in God as the end all and be all in one's life, a person needs to lose all conotation of common sense, therefore anything said beyond that is not comprehensible to anyone that uses logic to form their opinions.

logic and morality are not all inclusive. morality is unique to the culture it exists within. if you don't like the morality where you are, then pack your bags and move. if you've never thought about how divergent morality and the law based on it may affect your life, that is your own failure to forsee eventualities.

We're all very impressed.

if you ever have to make such a choice you will understand the value of it all.

some of us are easy, but not cheap, by any means.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

logic and morality are not all inclusive. morality is unique to the culture it exists within. if you don't like the morality where you are, then pack your bags and move. if you've never thought about how divergent morality and the law based on it may affect your life, that is your own failure to forsee eventualities.

This woman could not have packed her bags and moved when a medical emergency occurred. So this is a pointless argument.

if you ever have to make such a choice you will understand the value of it all.

some of us are easy, but not cheap, by any means.

Yes, you are very wise, and have experienced things I can only dream of. Maybe one day, "when I grow up", I will understand.

[Teddy B 17,251]

so if i go to a muslim country under islamic law i can tell them "it's not fair" and "i don't like it" and they should change for me? or is it only christians that must bow to the will of other peoples?

ask me why i've refused to work in countries under islamic law for money that you could only dream about...

This statement would hold water IF the woman knew she would have these life threatening complications well ahead of time in order to make other arrangements. By the time this woman started to have the complications which led to her death, uneccessarily because of this ridiculous law, it was far too late to do anything about it.

[justashooter 430]

if you've never thought about how divergent morality and the law based on it may affect your life, that is your own failure to forsee eventualities.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

So basically, she should have predicted that if she was having a miscarriage, nothing would be done to help her. Excellent logic.

[Teddy B 17,251]

logic and morality are not all inclusive. morality is unique to the culture it exists within. if you don't like the morality where you are, then pack your bags and move. if you've never thought about how divergent morality and the law based on it may affect your life, that is your own failure to forsee eventualities.

if you ever have to make such a choice you will understand the value of it all.

some of us are easy, but not cheap, by any means.

Logic and morals are far from being inclusive at all. Morals are a form of culture standards, if the culture you chose to follow does not apply logic to form their morals, then that culture will be as warped as those same morals allow it to be.

Logic is a standard based on reality using known facts. If you base your morals on reality and known entities, it is very difficult to steer off the path of common sense.

[justashooter 430]

So basically, she should have predicted that if she was having a miscarriage, nothing would be done to help her. Excellent logic.

miscarriage early in pregnancy is startlingly common. in second and third term it is a comparatively rare event. she should have considered the possibility, as should every woman expecting child. any forward thinking person would.

[Teddy B 17,251]

miscarriage early in pregnancy is startlingly common. in second and third term it is a comparatively rare event. she should have considered the possibility, as should every woman expecting child. any forward thinking person would.

And exactly what should her "exit plan" have been for this particular chain of events?

[justashooter 430]

Logic and morals are far from being inclusive at all. Morals are a form of culture standards, if the culture you chose to follow does not apply logic to form their morals, then that culture will be as warped as those same morals allow it to be.

Logic is a standard based on reality using known facts. If you base your morals on reality and known entities, it is very difficult to steer off the path of common sense.

you are tripping on your tongue, friend.

logic is unique to each culture, and based on the perception of reality.

for example, in islamic countries, allah is the one god, this if perceived as a fact in such places.

even in the world of physics, a hard science, concepts supposed to be factual are really unknowns perceived within a schema. for instance, that electrons orbit around a nucleus in shell levels and fixed numbers. in reality, this is just a schema that seems to account for observed interactive characteristics...

And exactly what should her "exit plan" have been for this particular chain of events?

to live during her pregnancy in a place that catered to her opinions in regard to what medical care is available.

[decocker 7,198]

miscarriage early in pregnancy is startlingly common. .

huh. well, DYING from miscarriage is not so common, nor should it be.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

miscarriage early in pregnancy is startlingly common. in second and third term it is a comparatively rare event. she should have considered the possibility, as should every woman expecting child. any forward thinking person would.

I'm sure she did. I'm sure she also assumed that if that emergency occurred, her life would have been in capable hands. Unfortunately she was incorrect and her child, which would not survive according to doctors, was given priority.

you are tripping on your tongue, friend.

logic is unique to each culture, and based on the perception of reality.

for example, in islamic countries, allah is the one god, this if perceived as a fact in such places.

even in the world of physics, a hard science, concepts supposed to be factual are really unknowns perceived within a schema. for instance, that electrons orbit around a nucleus in shell levels and fixed numbers. in reality, this is just a schema that seems to account for observed interactive characteristics...

to live during her pregnancy in a place that catered to her opinions in regard to what medical care is available.

You take 'victim blaming' to an entirely different, offensive level. I thought you were bad when you blamed rape victims for the way they dress, but this is something else.

[Teddy B 17,251]

you are tripping on your tongue, friend.

logic is unique to each culture, and based on the perception of reality.

for example, in islamic countries, allah is the one god, this if perceived as a fact in such places.

even in the world of physics, a hard science, concepts supposed to be factual are really unknowns perceived within a schema. for instance, that electrons orbit around a nucleus in shell levels and fixed numbers. in reality, this is just a schema that seems to account for observed interactive characteristics...

to live during her pregnancy in a place that catered to her opinions in regard to what medical care is available.

I'm not tripping at all. You are distorting the meaning of the words "fact" and "reality". Just because someone or a group of people perceives something to be one way, does not make it fact or reality, it simply means that person or group of people has a certain perspective. However one can use fact and logic to form a reality based on known entities. Religion does not fall into this category because religion is faith based, not fact based.

This woman did not anticipate any pregnancy problems until they happened, 3 days before she died. Why should she have moved to a place that catered to her beliefs?